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Post by hds on Jan 6, 2019 10:03:47 GMT -8
I think this will be very wabi-sabi... current owner sent me some more pix. Case seems shiny, not matte anymore, Hardlex is replacement and seems to have no frosting on the side, so maybe I'll get a new one from KleinVintage. And maybe he or Duncan Hewitt find some time to service it sometime... I can kind of understand that these hunks thrill people more than a 5513 or 165.024 (although those are beauties as well). Despite the rather low price-point the 630x and 6105 divers are sexy as hell. I'm a bit afraid the next step from this will have to be vintage Certina DS-2/3 or Doxa Sharkhunter... or maybe a small 34 mm bubbleback, just to even stuff out a bit and give my wrist something lighter to carry. Again, many thanks, this forum and the info on WUS has been tremendous, helpful + fun. Thanks for the kindness!
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Post by 69ChevelleSS on Jan 7, 2019 7:43:30 GMT -8
I think this will be very wabi-sabi... current owner sent me some more pix. Case seems shiny, not matte anymore, Hardlex is replacement and seems to have no frosting on the side, so maybe I'll get a new one from KleinVintage. And maybe he or Duncan Hewitt find some time to service it sometime... I can kind of understand that these hunks thrill people more than a 5513 or 165.024 (although those are beauties as well). Despite the rather low price-point the 630x and 6105 divers are sexy as hell. I'm a bit afraid the next step from this will have to be vintage Certina DS-2/3 or Doxa Sharkhunter... or maybe a small 34 mm bubbleback, just to even stuff out a bit and give my wrist something lighter to carry. Again, many thanks, this forum and the info on WUS has been tremendous, helpful + fun. Thanks for the kindness! That one is a nice looker! Congrats and enjoy it.
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Post by blubarb on Jan 9, 2019 1:36:58 GMT -8
Hi all I have a 6139 - 6005 (1971) Blue dial with serial #132xxx. The sweep hand on mine it looks to be more blood orange (first pic) but should it be red like the second and third pic? Does the hand look correct or has been replaced? Appreciate it's hard to see on the pics as to how different screens render colour.
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Mr.Jones
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Post by Mr.Jones on Jan 9, 2019 4:53:20 GMT -8
I would venture a guess that your hand has been painted (in the wrong color). Look at that center hole, it should be open, not painted.
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pip
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Post by pip on Jan 13, 2019 14:51:06 GMT -8
OK, I can’t be the only one watching this, but as it’s a birth month/year for me I could possibly get it and sell a load of stuff to cover the cost. The question being, would I be buying a pup? I really am no expert on these, although I’ve done some research I’m not confident enough at all to shell out big dollar without consulting.
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Post by small on Jan 13, 2019 19:40:04 GMT -8
OK, I can’t be the only one watching this, but as it’s a birth month/year for me I could possibly get it and sell a load of stuff to cover the cost. The question being, would I be buying a pup? I really am no expert on these, although I’ve done some research I’m not confident enough at all to shell out big dollar without consulting. I'm no expert either but from that picture wear looks pretty even, and the "patina" of the markers and hands I'd say good to go. But wait for the experts to chime in before dropping a kings ransom.
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Post by alessandrob on Jan 17, 2019 8:26:07 GMT -8
Many many thanks to Zeke, for your quick and competent help. So this is the one I have bought, love the messed-up patina of the lume, nice contrast to my rather clean Willard and I love watches that look like a truck drove over them, especially in this price range (I have bought an PD Orfina last year that looks like it went through hell, beautiful piece, despite the fact that the Italian owner did some weird stuff to the inner works that had to be fixed ;°). Really love the 6105-8110, despite the fact that it is not per se an «expensive» watch, but it wears beautifully. Expect this to be the same experience. Much obliged, sir. I like this, I guess you pulled the trigger on the right one.
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Post by alessandrob on Jan 17, 2019 8:28:32 GMT -8
Here's a possible Feiko I found while scouring the bay. Looks pretty good at first glance, but - and I'm not a 100% on this - the bottom dial font looks weird plus the lume markers also seem off, too sharp. The fonts, especially on the sub-dial are a lot thinner when compared to mine and I'm fairly certain the bezel insert is AM too. Case is overpolished and the bracelet seems to be one of the Seikosis ones (who coincidentally makes AM dials that are pretty decent copies of the original). This seller has sold a lot of dubious stuff in the past, so I would steer clear of this one; if it is a fake dial, it's probably one of the best I've seen so far. I don't know about the dial, but insert is 100% AM.
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hds
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Post by hds on Jan 18, 2019 12:59:37 GMT -8
>I like this, I guess you pulled the trigger on the right one. Sure hope so. Spencer Kleins replacement Hardlex has already arrived. There is some white stuff on the seconds hand that maybe looooooks like a relume, but the Tritium itself glows very short and uniformly, texture feels right... so maybe not, rest of the watch looks so rocked that maybe it is just oxidized, should have that cleaned up some time. Haven't seen the movement, but guess it will need service sooner or later. Apart from that, the 6306 is just the same kind of monster the 6105 is, very similar but thorough modernized version. Like Squale / Doxa and some Certinas, these are very different concepts of «diver watch» from 5513 or even Seamasters, beautiful work. And BOY >>> these Kanji symbols.
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Post by seikohoarder on Jan 21, 2019 14:52:11 GMT -8
How to tell Seikosis' AM Rally Diver dials from the real thing? I CAN"T TELL THE DIFFERENCE. Is the only way to tell is if it's too good, it's a feiko?
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mikeyt
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Post by mikeyt on Jan 21, 2019 15:27:43 GMT -8
How to tell Seikosis' AM Rally Diver dials from the real thing? I CAN"T TELL THE DIFFERENCE. Is the only way to tell is if it's too good, it's a feiko? I'm sure I'll catch a lot of crap for this, but if a knowledgeable person can't tell the difference, who cares?
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Post by seikohoarder on Jan 21, 2019 16:42:49 GMT -8
[/quote]I'm sure I'll catch a lot of crap for this, but if a knowledgeable person can't tell the difference, who cares? [/quote]
I can see what you are saying. At a certain point, when the AM dial becomes indistinguishable from the OEM dial, it may no longer matter.
But I'm not a "knowledgeable person". There was a time when I considered the Seikosis AM bezels indistinguishable from the OEM bezels until Dahasco pointed out the differences. Now I can't miss them.
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Post by small on Feb 1, 2019 16:16:20 GMT -8
In my quest for the XXX9's I found this, the dial looks good, US seller other items look honest and I think I've purchased there be for. But Honestly when I saw the reference number and knew I didn't have it I really think I want it but...again the dial looks good the case looks like it fits in line with the other 31X9's I have and have seen. Including on for sale on another forum where the back is also missing Seiko. That watch is the same except for the Dial being white. Also the serial Number starts with 4. So what's up with the case back? Yes the serial number looks odd too. but the other stamping is Seiko Spot on no?
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Post by small on Feb 2, 2019 15:31:07 GMT -8
Whats odd is spotted a third today (white dial) that is also missing the Seiko on the case back. I'm having a hard time understanding this. If they are fake, why would you even bother changing it up? Most fake back I have seen out of Patel's shop have the same serial number...I'm thinking this is one of those never say "always" when it come to Seiko...but I'd love for others that have been in this game longer than I to chime in... Again thanks in advance, [/quote]
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Post by terras14 on Feb 7, 2019 6:15:43 GMT -8
Here's a possible Feiko I found while scouring the bay. Looks pretty good at first glance, but - and I'm not a 100% on this - the bottom dial font looks weird plus the lume markers also seem off, too sharp. The fonts, especially on the sub-dial are a lot thinner when compared to mine and I'm fairly certain the bezel insert is AM too. Case is overpolished and the bracelet seems to be one of the Seikosis ones (who coincidentally makes AM dials that are pretty decent copies of the original). This seller has sold a lot of dubious stuff in the past, so I would steer clear of this one; if it is a fake dial, it's probably one of the best I've seen so far. I don't know about the dial, but insert is 100% AM. Hi, may I know how to tell if the bezel is AM? Many thanks
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Post by 69ChevelleSS on Feb 11, 2019 6:28:26 GMT -8
Anyone care to comment on whether this is an AM dial? Listing says it was replaced but just wanting to confirm. The Seiko emblem looks a bit sketchy to me.
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Mr.Jones
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Post by Mr.Jones on Feb 11, 2019 8:29:06 GMT -8
Not too bad, but yep - AM dial. The "vinyl grooves" on the subdial give it away.
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Post by terras14 on Feb 14, 2019 19:08:43 GMT -8
Apart from the groove, anything else?
The seiko O is already oval in this example. Getting hard to detet already.
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Post by alessandrob on Feb 28, 2019 7:34:12 GMT -8
I don't know about the dial, but insert is 100% AM. Hi, may I know how to tell if the bezel is AM? Many thanks Hi there, sorry for this late reply. If you compare an original insert to this one, you'll see that numbers' shape is sometimes different and thinner, especially looking at 5s and 7s.
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Post by rrodriguez on Mar 4, 2019 10:18:51 GMT -8
Apart from the groove, anything else? The seiko O is already oval in this example. Getting hard to detet already. Some quick remarks: "SEIKO" and "Chronograph" are not perfectly aligned / centered On the bezel the little square mark under 60 appears only on later models (ca. 1975 and on) Long sweep hand should be red Attached is mine all-original from Aug 1971 Attachments:
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