cd_god
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Post by cd_god on Sept 23, 2023 19:07:44 GMT -8
and ok inboost , you are so right. The hippie flower I was thinking of has 6 petals, not 5! Those military case backs are super cool, I wonder what the story behind them is?
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Post by dapellegrini on Sept 23, 2023 19:10:25 GMT -8
lol cd_god - I think he took his watch off and left it in the van.
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Post by itsdannym on Sept 23, 2023 20:08:48 GMT -8
I'll have to track mine down and see what the caseback reveals...it's in a drawer for the time being, awaiting a correct bezel. I'm among those interested in a repro, if anyone is considering making one! I tried to message the seller in France who was making them a while back, but couldn't a way to contact somebody who had no items listed. I just managed, though, and will let you folks know if I hear anything. Be warned, he was asking $150 for these back in 2021...who knows with inflation! He just sold out last month. He was asking $170 plus $30 shipping. I should have pounced but waited and missed out. The price seemed too high to me but I may never find an original one and if I do, it will probably cost more than that. He said it will be a few more months before he gets some more made. Figures that they got more expensive in the meantime! How did you even get in touch with him?
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Post by saldog on Sept 23, 2023 23:11:44 GMT -8
He just sold out last month. He was asking $170 plus $30 shipping. I should have pounced but waited and missed out. The price seemed too high to me but I may never find an original one and if I do, it will probably cost more than that. He said it will be a few more months before he gets some more made. Figures that they got more expensive in the meantime! How did you even get in touch with him? I just sent him a message on eBay.
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Rod
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Post by Rod on Sept 23, 2023 23:16:02 GMT -8
Case back the same as this but without the writing, which translate to "1964 Olympic Organizing Committee".
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Post by itsdannym on Sept 23, 2023 23:51:26 GMT -8
My caseback is extremely worn but appears to be a plain Olympic torch from July 1974. More interesting to me is the bezel, which I think someone might perhaps, possibly, maaaaybe have stolen off a 62MAS. Am I way off here? Apologies for the photo quality!
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Post by Rod on Sept 24, 2023 0:01:56 GMT -8
My caseback is extremely worn but appears to be a plain Olympic torch from July 1974. More interesting to me is the bezel, which I think someone might perhaps, possibly, maaaaybe have stolen off a 62MAS. Am I way off here? Apologies for the photo quality! July 1964... Yes it's a 6127-800X bezel and worth as much as the watch is!
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Post by dapellegrini on Sept 27, 2023 19:39:18 GMT -8
About the 5717's with the olympic torch and circular lume plots.....
I THINK all of the examples I have seen start with "64" and if that holds true, then I believe those are June 1964, like my "N3" Alpinist from Nov 1963, I suspect for whatever reason they did the year/month the other way around on that specific model. Unless someone can find a 65 or 66 or 63 serial?
The 4D and 51 Asian Games still have me confused though...
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Post by mnementh on Sept 28, 2023 14:51:59 GMT -8
My caseback is extremely worn but appears to be a plain Olympic torch from July 1974. More interesting to me is the bezel, which I think someone might perhaps, possibly, maaaaybe have stolen off a 62MAS. Am I way off here? Apologies for the photo quality! Wow Danny - That's a candidate for my " Post a Pic of Your Most Disreputable-Looking Watch" thread if I ever saw one! mnem *disweputable-dwagon*
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Post by itsdannym on Sept 28, 2023 15:43:06 GMT -8
My caseback is extremely worn but appears to be a plain Olympic torch from July 1974. More interesting to me is the bezel, which I think someone might perhaps, possibly, maaaaybe have stolen off a 62MAS. Am I way off here? Apologies for the photo quality! Wow Danny - That's a candidate for my " Post a Pic of Your Most Disreputable-Looking Watch" thread if I ever saw one! mnem *disweputable-dwagon*Oh, I bet I have more disreputable ones than that! For a while I was buying a ton from a guy in Venezuela, and you never quite knew what the watch had undergone from the fuzzy cell phone pictures he would send. There were some great scores in there, but also some absolute dogs. [mention]bolto [/mention]has seen pics of some and can back me up on this! For example, I would contend that this dial and hands would look better under that 45899’s crystal!
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Post by dapellegrini on Oct 1, 2023 15:15:49 GMT -8
I've started another repo for images of these watches: Click hereWith only about 50 cataloged so far, some obvious things are standing out: 1. Only the 45899 case back had the Olympic Torch logo 2. EXCEPT the "64" Serial numbered 5717-8990's - which I believe is a June 1964 run - this ALSO had the Olympic Torch 3. The 5717 and 5719's from 1964 otherwise had a Seahorse 4. There is a smattering of Asian Games case backs that still don't make any sense to me, "49", "4D" and "51" so far... 5. The 5719-8990 became the 5719-8992 in May of 1968 - examples of both are found in that month suggesting there was no "1" version 6. Currently there is a pretty big gap from Jan 1965 into 1967 or 1968, like they stopped making these for a couple years, then did one last run before releasing the 6138/6139 A lot of this will become more clear with more data - but that might take a while!
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Post by dapellegrini on Oct 1, 2023 16:15:00 GMT -8
Fixed the link so it returns all three models now
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Post by Rod on Oct 1, 2023 17:50:05 GMT -8
I've started another repo for images of these watches: Click hereWith only about 50 cataloged so far, some obvious things are standing out: 1. Only the 45899 case back had the Olympic Torch logo 2. EXCEPT the "64" Serial numbered 5717-8990's - which I believe is a June 1964 run - this ALSO had the Olympic Torch 3. The 5717 and 5719's from 1964 otherwise had a Seahorse 4. There is a smattering of Asian Games case backs that still don't make any sense to me, "49", "4D" and "51" so far... 5. The 5719-8990 became the 5719-8992 in May of 1968 - examples of both are found in that month suggesting there was no "1" version 6. Currently there is a pretty big gap from Jan 1965 into 1967 or 1968, like the stopped making these for a couple years, then did one last run before releasing the 6138/6139 A lot of this will become more clear with more data - but that might take a while! 6. Currently there is a pretty big gap from Jan 1965 into 1967 or 1968, like the stopped making these for a couple years, then did one last run before releasing the 6138/6139.. They look to have released the remainder of there stock for the 1968 Olympics, just a thought.
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Post by dapellegrini on Oct 1, 2023 17:51:47 GMT -8
Good point Rod. The only thing is these were all horseshoe case backs in 67 and 68
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Post by rossr on Oct 2, 2023 18:24:52 GMT -8
Very nice work. Here is the caseback for my 5719.
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Post by dapellegrini on Oct 2, 2023 18:39:23 GMT -8
Thank you rossr. Your 62MAS research continues to inspire me! Do you think that is a Seahorse (5719-8980) or Torch (45899) back? 4804215, right?
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Post by Rod on Oct 2, 2023 21:53:15 GMT -8
Good point Rod . The only thing is these were all horseshoe case backs in 67 and 68 My thoughts were, that as Seiko was the offical timekeepers for the 1964 Olympic's the logo's (rings, flame etc) would have only been licensed to them for 1964, as you've already seen the flame is only for 1964. With the olympic run finished and the Asia games two years away, my bet is that Seiko ran the remainder of the unsold watch's as Asia games watches and finally tried to capture the 1968 Mexico City Olympic games hype in Japan selling out the remainder of the production run. Remembering that Seiko was pushing the auto winding watches as the best and latest, so trying to sell old fashioned manual wind watches with a limited complication to the public was a hard sell.
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Post by rossr on Oct 3, 2023 3:01:29 GMT -8
It is the Olympic Torch model.
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Post by mnementh on Oct 3, 2023 4:06:48 GMT -8
Oh, I bet I have more disreputable ones than that! For a while I was buying a ton from a guy in Venezuela, and you never quite knew what the watch had undergone from the fuzzy cell phone pictures he would send. There were some great scores in there, but also some absolute dogs. [mention]bolto [/mention]has seen pics of some and can back me up on this! For example, I would contend that this dial and hands would look better under that 45899’s crystal! That is... impressively crusty. I can almost imagine some impoverished sponge-diver clawing it off a shipwreck corpse, to double his family's annual income... mnem it's the great circle of life... only with pawnbrokers.
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Post by dapellegrini on Oct 11, 2023 17:21:25 GMT -8
As with most things Seiko, there are a lot more versions of this watch than I had first thought... Right now I think a "complete set" would look like this: 45899 BLACK BAKELITE BEZEL OLYMPIC TORCH - White dial with silver ring w/ Square Lume Spots - White dial w/ Square Lume Spots - Black dial w/ Square Lume Spots 5717-8990 SILVER METAL BEZEL OLYMPIC TORCH - "64" Serials but from June 1964 - Silver Dial w/ Round Lume Spots - Black Dial w/ Round Lume Spots SEAHORSE - Silver Dial w/o Lume ASIAN GAMES - Silver Dial w/ Round Lume Spots - Black Dial w/ Round Lume Spots HORSESHOE - Silver Dial w/ No Lume 5719-8980BLACK METAL BEZEL from 62MAS SEAHORSE - White Dial w/o Lume 5719-8990BLACK BAKELITE BEZEL SEAHORSE - White dial w/ Square Lume Spots - Black dial w/ Square Lume Spots 5719-8990SILVER METAL BEZEL JAPANESE AIR FORCE JAPANESE NAVY - Black dial w/ Square Lume Spots 5719-8991
Likely does not exist 5719-8992BLACK BAKELITE BEZEL HORSESHOE - White dial w/ Square Lume Spots - Black dial w/ Square Lume Spots Still to sort in: Olympic committee special version
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