|
Post by bobbymike on May 17, 2015 8:43:58 GMT -8
From Jake B. "NOTICE!! THE DOMAIN NAME CREATED BY NOAH FULLER, 10watches.com WAS HIJACKED TODAY, MAY 17th BY AN UNSCRUPULOUS PARTY. WE HAVE PURCHASED A NEW DOMAIN NAME THAT WILL COME INTO EFFECT WITHIN 48hrs OR SO. ***UNTIL THEN, WE WILL REVERT TO OUR ORIGINAL SITE DOMAIN tempus-fugit.webs.com/ ***"
|
|
|
Post by Groundhog66 on May 17, 2015 8:49:40 GMT -8
How does one hijack a domain name?
|
|
|
Post by sundog on May 17, 2015 9:02:44 GMT -8
Hacker finds out the domain name and administrative email address associated with the target domain (easy to do). The hacker needs to take control of the administrative email address. Once this is achieved, very simply, the hacker goes to to the "Forgot Password" in the login page of the domain registrar website.
Once the password is changed the hacker has full control of the front end (domain control panel, on server A). Hacker then logs into the domain control panel and instead of pointing the domain name to server B, where the legitimate website files are contained, he reconfigures the domain name to point to whatever server he wants to.
|
|
|
Post by Groundhog66 on May 17, 2015 9:16:13 GMT -8
Take a look at the website now, it's just a starter page registered with Go Daddy.
|
|
|
Post by seikomon on May 17, 2015 9:30:22 GMT -8
Typically when the domain expires, it’s up for grab by anyone. Companies that buy and sell high traffic website domain name snap them up and resell either back to the, now past owner or anyone else at a profit. Whois look-up Domain Name: 10WATCHES.COM Registry Domain ID: 400098166_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.wildwestdomains.com Registrar URL: www.wildwestdomains.comUpdate Date: 2015-05-17T07:51:56Z Creation Date: 2006-04-05T05:24:56Z Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-04-05T05:24:56Z Registrant Name: Nanci Nette Registrant Organization: Name Management Group Registrant Street: 1619 N. La Brea Ave Registrant Street: #221 Registrant City: Los Angeles Registrant State/Province: California Registrant Postal Code: 90028
|
|
|
Post by sundog on May 17, 2015 9:39:02 GMT -8
Taking the above into consideration I would hardly call it domain hacking, stealing or whatever. Lack of discipline of the original domain name owner to either understand the process or ensure everything is in order. No different from a patent owner filing the paperwork and fees after X no of years from the original granting of it.
|
|
|
Post by Groundhog66 on May 17, 2015 9:50:17 GMT -8
Taking the above into consideration I would hardly call it domain hacking, stealing or whatever. Lack of discipline of the original domain name owner to either understand the process or ensure everything is in order. No different from a patent owner filing the paperwork and fees after X no of years from the original granting of it. Agreed, it hardly looks like a hijacking...
|
|
|
Post by seikomon on May 17, 2015 10:14:23 GMT -8
Well all I can say is 10watches.com is taken. the new site is a typical add page hosted by Godaddy that redirects to various sites. I’ve built my own business website(s) and owned since 2000 ( I’m no web guru) and I do get notified months before renewal, so this could be the case lack of renewal. Maybe someone in the IT world can chime in.
|
|
mar52
Timekeeper
Posts: 873
|
Post by mar52 on May 17, 2015 10:26:00 GMT -8
Interesting. I went there this morning for the first time and thought.... WHAT???
Thanks for passing along the information.
I don't have good thoughts towards hackers.
|
|
|
Post by seikomon on May 17, 2015 10:45:42 GMT -8
Hackers, doubtful.
|
|
|
Post by bobbymike on May 17, 2015 12:44:07 GMT -8
It's cheesy and unscrupulous however you want to put it. Noah started the business and Jake has continued it. Go ahead and blame Jake if that makes you feel better, I consider him a friend so I won't respond to that directly as I'll probably call you a d*ck, or worse. I posted this as a heads up so people could find Jake's store, not to garner sympathy or start a "blame the victim" thread. Neither is productive. Guessing about how it happened is about as useful as wanting a bull with teats.
|
|
|
Post by Groundhog66 on May 17, 2015 13:07:54 GMT -8
It's cheesy and unscrupulous however you want to put it. Noah started the business and Jake has continued it. Go ahead and blame Jake if that makes you feel better, I consider him a friend so I won't respond to that directly as I'll probably call you a d*ck, or worse. I posted this as a heads up so people could find Jake's store, not to garner sympathy or start a "blame the victim" thread. Neither is productive. Guessing about how it happened is about as useful as wanting a bull with teats. I'd say you're overreacting just a bit, nobody is "blaming" anyone here. All I see, is a thread full of statements, stating what "may" have happened. It's not like you gave any kind of explanation in your OP, what did you expect? As stated above, it's not uncommon for people to snatch up available domain names.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 13:28:20 GMT -8
The not passed to TOF reads like this... NOTICE!! THE DOMAIN NAME CREATED BY NOAH FULLER,10watches.com WAS HIJACKED TODAY, MAY 17th BY SOMEONE CALLING THEMSELVES ""an unscrupulous party""
If that is the case, it very well may be a hack job.
Jake is a very shrewd business man and I doubt he or his staff would have missed paying up on the domain.
|
|
|
Post by sundog on May 17, 2015 13:34:52 GMT -8
If that is the case, it very well may be a hack job. If it is I hope he can get his domain provider to do the right thing. Is a crappy thing to have happen.
|
|
|
Post by Groundhog66 on May 17, 2015 13:39:46 GMT -8
The not passed to TOF reads like this... NOTICE!! THE DOMAIN NAME CREATED BY NOAH FULLER,10watches.com WAS HIJACKED TODAY, MAY 17th BY SOMEONE CALLING THEMSELVES ""an unscrupulous party"" If that is the case, it very well may be a hack job. Jake is a very shrewd business man and I doubt he or his staff would have missed paying up on the domain. Peter, read the OP...it's a direct quote from Jake. It's not someone calling themselves "an unscruplous party", it is how Jake is referring to them. Either way, I hope everything gets straightened out. Not sure why he wouldn't try to retain his domain name, if it was indeed illegally taken from him.
|
|
|
Post by bobbymike on May 17, 2015 14:14:42 GMT -8
It's cheesy and unscrupulous however you want to put it. Noah started the business and Jake has continued it. Go ahead and blame Jake if that makes you feel better, I consider him a friend so I won't respond to that directly as I'll probably call you a d*ck, or worse. I posted this as a heads up so people could find Jake's store, not to garner sympathy or start a "blame the victim" thread. Neither is productive. Guessing about how it happened is about as useful as wanting a bull with teats. I'd say you're overreacting just a bit, nobody is "blaming" anyone here. All I see, is a thread full of statements, stating what "may" have happened. It's not like you gave any kind of explanation in your OP, what did you expect? As stated above, it's not uncommon for people to snatch up available domain names. Actually Tim, Sundog did just that - "Taking the above into consideration I would hardly call it domain hacking, stealing or whatever. Lack of discipline of the original domain name owner to either understand the process or ensure everything is in order. No different from a patent owner filing the paperwork and fees after X no of years from the original granting of it." (my emphasis) That's pretty clear victim blaming IMO. It's his opinion, but as I said I can have an opinion too. I did not add "my two cents" as I did not know anything else and did not want to start flinging accusations either way. I have a pretty good idea what happened (as something similar happened to us with a domain), but until Jake confirms it I'm content to "know what I know". I do know that it's a pretty common tactic by companies to snatch up domains (legally and illegally) to hold them hostage. Regardless of whether it's legal or not it's a scummy "business" tactic and I don't think it's helpful, or polite, to blame the victim. YMMV. I just passed on the info so people could find Jake's store. I did not think I had to "post an explanation" Tim. I thought people here were reasonable intelligent, could read the statement, and process it. I forgot that people like to gossip and make up explanations when they don't have anything else to do. I'll limit my actions to Wrist Sushi to browsing posts again and stop sharing as I don't see a need for it.
|
|
|
Post by Groundhog66 on May 17, 2015 14:20:50 GMT -8
I'd say you're overreacting just a bit, nobody is "blaming" anyone here. All I see, is a thread full of statements, stating what "may" have happened. It's not like you gave any kind of explanation in your OP, what did you expect? As stated above, it's not uncommon for people to snatch up available domain names. Actually Tim, Sundog did just that - "Taking the above into consideration I would hardly call it domain hacking, stealing or whatever. Lack of discipline of the original domain name owner to either understand the process or ensure everything is in order. No different from a patent owner filing the paperwork and fees after X no of years from the original granting of it." (my emphasis) That's pretty clear victim blaming IMO. It's his opinion, but as I said I can have an opinion too. I did not add "my two cents" as I did not know anything else and did not want to start flinging accusations either way. I have a pretty good idea what happened (as something similar happened to us with a domain), but until Jake confirms it I'm content to "know what I know". I do know that it's a pretty common tactic by companies to snatch up domains (legally and illegally) to hold them hostage. Regardless of whether it's legal or not it's a scummy "business" tactic and I don't think it's helpful, or polite, to blame the victim. YMMV. I just passed on the info so people could find Jake's store. I did not think I had to "post an explanation" Tim. I thought people here were reasonable intelligent, could read the statement, and process it. I forgot that people like to gossip and make up explanations when they don't have anything else to do. I'll limit my actions to Wrist Sushi to browsing posts again and stop sharing as I don't see a need for it. Good Lord, you're reading WAY to much into the posts, and taking it MUCH too personal. If what just transpired here, makes you not want to post here anymore...wow.
|
|
Rod
WS Benefactor
Posts: 2,214
|
Post by Rod on May 17, 2015 14:28:48 GMT -8
I'd say you're overreacting just a bit, nobody is "blaming" anyone here. All I see, is a thread full of statements, stating what "may" have happened. It's not like you gave any kind of explanation in your OP, what did you expect? As stated above, it's not uncommon for people to snatch up available domain names. Actually Tim, Sundog did just that - "Taking the above into consideration I would hardly call it domain hacking, stealing or whatever. Lack of discipline of the original domain name owner to either understand the process or ensure everything is in order. No different from a patent owner filing the paperwork and fees after X no of years from the original granting of it." (my emphasis) That's pretty clear victim blaming IMO. It's his opinion, but as I said I can have an opinion too. I did not add "my two cents" as I did not know anything else and did not want to start flinging accusations either way. I have a pretty good idea what happened (as something similar happened to us with a domain), but until Jake confirms it I'm content to "know what I know". I do know that it's a pretty common tactic by companies to snatch up domains (legally and illegally) to hold them hostage. Regardless of whether it's legal or not it's a scummy "business" tactic and I don't think it's helpful, or polite, to blame the victim. YMMV. I just passed on the info so people could find Jake's store. I did not think I had to "post an explanation" Tim. I thought people here were reasonable intelligent, could read the statement, and process it. I forgot that people like to gossip and make up explanations when they don't have anything else to do. I'll limit my actions to Wrist Sushi to browsing posts again and stop sharing as I don't see a need for it. Quote for the day "Choosing not to forgive someone for the wrong they have done you is like drinking poison and waiting for them to die"
|
|
|
Post by seikomon on May 17, 2015 14:57:54 GMT -8
Hacker finds out the domain name and administrative email address associated with the target domain (easy to do). The hacker needs to take control of the administrative email address. Once this is achieved, very simply, the hacker goes to to the "Forgot Password" in the login page of the domain registrar website. Once the password is changed the hacker has full control of the front end (domain control panel, on server A). Hacker then logs into the domain control panel and instead of pointing the domain name to server B, where the legitimate website files are contained, he reconfigures the domain name to point to whatever server he wants to. Private registration will fix that right up, all my whois info only shows Domains By Proxy, LLC emailing, calling will get you wala!
|
|
|
Post by seikomon on May 17, 2015 15:04:43 GMT -8
Actually Tim, Sundog did just that - "Taking the above into consideration I would hardly call it domain hacking, stealing or whatever. Lack of discipline of the original domain name owner to either understand the process or ensure everything is in order. No different from a patent owner filing the paperwork and fees after X no of years from the original granting of it." (my emphasis) That's pretty clear victim blaming IMO. It's his opinion, but as I said I can have an opinion too. I did not add "my two cents" as I did not know anything else and did not want to start flinging accusations either way. I have a pretty good idea what happened (as something similar happened to us with a domain), but until Jake confirms it I'm content to "know what I know". I do know that it's a pretty common tactic by companies to snatch up domains (legally and illegally) to hold them hostage. Regardless of whether it's legal or not it's a scummy "business" tactic and I don't think it's helpful, or polite, to blame the victim. YMMV. I just passed on the info so people could find Jake's store. I did not think I had to "post an explanation" Tim. I thought people here were reasonable intelligent, could read the statement, and process it. I forgot that people like to gossip and make up explanations when they don't have anything else to do. I'll limit my actions to Wrist Sushi to browsing posts again and stop sharing as I don't see a need for it. Good Lord, you're reading WAY to much into the posts, and taking it MUCH too personal. If what just transpired here, makes you not want to post here anymore...wow. Agree, with the underlined.
|
|