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Post by seikohoarder on Jul 11, 2018 6:19:52 GMT -8
Above are three 7006 movements. Two are genuine, one is from an example of an "Homage" Chinese 7006 Sports Diver of a type that are currently flooding Catawiki and Ebay. What are the tell tale signs that we are looking at a fake movement?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 7:38:58 GMT -8
Above are three 7006 movements. Two are genuine, one is from an example of an "Homage" Chinese 7006 Sports Diver of a type that are currently flooding Catawiki and Ebay. What are the tell tale signs that we are looking at a fake movement? I'm guessing that only the one on the left is genuine. Both of the others have plate differences that shouldn't be there if they are both 7006A. Got any better resolution photos?
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Post by Mr.Jones on Jul 11, 2018 7:50:52 GMT -8
Zekolas - what do your elf eyes see?
(If you right-click on the image and select "open in new tab", it's already bigger.)
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Post by seikohoarder on Jul 11, 2018 8:00:06 GMT -8
That's the best resolution I can do. I believe only the one in the middle is fake however.
If you search "7006-8030 Seiko" on Ebay, most of what comes up are the Chinese knock offs, and they are selling briskly! If anyone reports counterfeit merchandise to Ebay or Catawiki, they do nothing. And why should they? They earn the same 10% whether it is fake or not. As long as the seller pays the commission, they seem willing to look the other way.
I myself was taken in and bought on of these fakes for $300. Unfortunately I didn't take any photos or measurements while I had it in my possession. I returned it the same day that it arrived. While the seller's photos may fool, when you hold one in your hands, it is immediately obvious that you have a fake.
The Chinese are fairly good at getting the APPEARANCE of the the mechanism right, but it was not running when it arrived.
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Post by seikohoarder on Jul 11, 2018 8:35:35 GMT -8
Only one of these 7006s is genuine, the rest are fakes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 8:47:27 GMT -8
Only one of these 7006s is genuine, the rest are fakes. 'D' is real. Only the left most example in the original picture matches this one. Look at the area just below the balance bridge screw where the dial foot cam cleat is. There are two holes and/or pins on either side of the cleat. The movement on the right in the original picture doesn't have this feature and also has a completely different main plate.
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Post by seikohoarder on Jul 11, 2018 15:24:30 GMT -8
Thank you Zeke.
In addition I'd like to add that Seiko balance wheels are usually brass.
My watchmaker called the fake one based on the screws. He claims the that the first thing he noticed were the Chinese screw heads.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 15:29:53 GMT -8
Thank you Zeke. In addition I'd like to add that Seiko balance wheels are usually brass. My watchmaker called the fake one based on the screws. He claims the that the first thing he noticed were the Chinese screw heads. Yep, the screws are a dead giveaway. I'm also wondering if perhaps the movement on the right might have been put together wit the base from another calibre...
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Post by SeikoSoMatic on Jul 23, 2018 12:46:06 GMT -8
Quick & dirty assessment of this 6138-0011, opinions please...anything look aftermarket / not original? Only 2 photos allowed per post, so I'll add posts, below.
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Post by SeikoSoMatic on Jul 23, 2018 12:46:54 GMT -8
2 more pix....
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Post by SeikoSoMatic on Jul 23, 2018 12:47:48 GMT -8
2 more....
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Post by SeikoSoMatic on Jul 23, 2018 12:50:00 GMT -8
Last 2. Anyone?
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Post by SeikoSoMatic on Jul 24, 2018 4:02:59 GMT -8
@the experts: any curbside advice?
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Post by SeikoSoMatic on Jul 28, 2018 1:00:04 GMT -8
Please delete/close my inquiry.
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Post by seikohoarder on Aug 24, 2018 18:17:02 GMT -8
Can you spot a Fake 7006-8030?1) The fake has a light blue colored flat, painted dial. The real dial is a deep dark blue, iridescent dial. 2) The fake seconds hand is red. The original seconds hand is neon orange. 3) The fake has black-stripped hands. The genuine hands have white stripes. 4) On the fake, both day and date are white. The original has a white day wheel and a black date wheel. 5) The earlier fake case has 20mm lugs, but later ones are all 18mm. The real deal came with 18mm lugs. Notice how the paint on the counterfeit bezel has been amateurishly scratched in an attempt to give it an aged appearance.
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Post by Mike_B on Aug 24, 2018 23:39:33 GMT -8
Can you spot a Fake 7006-8030?1) The fake has a light blue colored flat, painted dial. The real dial is a deep dark blue, iridescent dial. 2) The fake seconds hand is red. The original seconds hand is neon orange. 3) The fake has black-stripped hands. The genuine hands have white stripes. 4) On the fake, both day and date are white. The original has a white day wheel and a black date wheel. 5) The fake case has 20mm lugs. The real deal came with 18mm lugs. Notice how the paint on the counterfeit bezel has been amateurishly scratched in an attempt to give it an aged appearance. What a great post. Awful fake. Think I would have spotted some of those but you make it look so obvious members can only learn from posts like this.
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Post by meanoldmanning on Aug 25, 2018 4:46:22 GMT -8
Can you spot a Fake 7006-8030?1) The fake has a light blue colored flat, painted dial. The real dial is a deep dark blue, iridescent dial. 2) The fake seconds hand is red. The original seconds hand is neon orange. 3) The fake has black-stripped hands. The genuine hands have white stripes. 4) On the fake, both day and date are white. The original has a white day wheel and a black date wheel. 5) The fake case has 20mm lugs. The real deal came with 18mm lugs. Notice how the paint on the counterfeit bezel has been amateurishly scratched in an attempt to give it an aged appearance. The casebacks are clearly wrong as well. They appear to be laser engraved and are domed rather than flat like the original. They are frequently listed as having sapphire crystals too when the originals have plastic. Some of the fakes currently listed are now described as having 18mm lug width btw. There was a post from a very low post count individual over on WUS trying to find out what the original box should look like. They claimed to want one for their newly acquired ‘Rally Driver’. I pointed out their newly acquired watch was a counterfeit to which they replied it was an original restored with pattern parts. I’m wondering if we’ll start seeing these fakes now with ‘original’ boxes.
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Post by seikohoarder on Aug 25, 2018 17:22:19 GMT -8
The casebacks are clearly wrong as well. They appear to be laser engraved and are domed rather than flat like the original.
They are frequently listed as having sapphire crystals too when the originals have plastic.
Some of the fakes currently listed are now described as having 18mm lug width btw. . .
Yes, I just checked. ALL the lugs on the newer fakes are 18mm! Here are some of the casebacks from the fake 7006-8030s: At first they appeared immaculate.But lately the seller has been roughing them up a bit to give them a vintage look.And here is the caseback from my genuine 7006-8030 for comparison:
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Post by camrok on Sept 20, 2018 2:32:11 GMT -8
I have just had this land and am interested in it’s authenticity. I’ve seen photos if dropped Lume but never seen it. Is this indicative of aftermarket. Please get your specs on and see what you think of this specimen. Am guessing that coil is the reason it won’t tick.
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Post by DAHASCO on Sept 20, 2018 2:37:49 GMT -8
Interesting "Lume Drop" Maybe baked in the sun and fell off and turned to ash, Or moisture intrusion ???What do you say ? The Watch is original Seiko Love 7dfe79adc2f0
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