pip
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Post by pip on Mar 5, 2019 15:12:23 GMT -8
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scubarob99
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Just bought a 6309-7049...this is the last one, I promise.
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Post by scubarob99 on Mar 5, 2019 16:11:52 GMT -8
Dial is a textbook fake. So is everything else.
Rob
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Henry
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Post by Henry on Mar 5, 2019 16:15:59 GMT -8
I’ve been given this and a couple of Heuer to service; I’m pretty sure fake dial / hands / insert but can I just double check as I haven’t handled a real or a fake scubapro. Also caseback is for a 6309 and the scubapro is a 6306 as per the fake dial right? Yep dial should have the scubapro text a very pale blue.. Also the bevel near date window should be a nice clean sharp and distinct.. Don't think they were 6309 at all..
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Post by mcgruber on Mar 5, 2019 18:43:13 GMT -8
Spencer Klein posted a nice video about original vs reproduced 6309 divers. It's a nice introduction for newbies like me. A while back I purchased a reprint 6309 turtle, it would have been totally avoidable if I had this basic knowledge. Props to Spencer. youtu.be/xeDi5FMKvyY
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pip
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Post by pip on Mar 6, 2019 11:20:43 GMT -8
Thanks mcgruber I’ll give that an airing later this evening. And thanks all, just wanted to double check but was pretty sure anyway. I wonder what will be under the hood?
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Post by peenemunde on Mar 30, 2019 13:26:24 GMT -8
Super Feiko
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kue
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Post by kue on Apr 14, 2019 3:16:37 GMT -8
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small
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Post by small on Apr 14, 2019 6:44:01 GMT -8
Kind of surprised by these. I have not seen them before. One just popped and then a second but with a lighter dial? The dial codes look the same and they have the curve that Patel's don't seem to have, there's no MADE IN JAPAN font...So are these a real deal? also two different sellers, but the name of the sellers town is off by a single initial...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 7:27:33 GMT -8
Kind of surprised by these. I have not seen them before. One just popped and then a second but with a lighter dial? The dial codes look the same and they have the curve that Patel's don't seem to have, there's no MADE IN JAPAN font...So are these a real deal? also two different sellers, but the name of the sellers town is off by a single initial... Those look legit to me.
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Post by small on Apr 14, 2019 9:27:51 GMT -8
Kind of surprised by these. I have not seen them before. One just popped and then a second but with a lighter dial? The dial codes look the same and they have the curve that Patel's don't seem to have, there's no MADE IN JAPAN font...So are these a real deal? also two different sellers, but the name of the sellers town is off by a single initial... Those look legit to me. Thanks Pete, Just odd that they both showed in a week of each other after looking at 6309'3 and 7009's for several years now and not noticing these. Then the fact that the towns were the deference between "r" and "n">
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Post by redmau5 on Apr 23, 2019 7:14:53 GMT -8
Hi all, Happy to have stumbled upon these forums! I’ve been looking to source a Grand Seiko ref. 43999 SD dial for quite some time now. I’ve come across a watch that seems to be in fairly good condition (minus some heavy-handed attempts to open the case back and slight corrosion on the hands). My one concern is regarding the printing on the dial. The lettering itself appears to be genuine, and I can’t find any discrepancies with regard to font, position, etc. However, the “Grand Seiko” and “Diashock 35 Jewels” text isn’t quite as clean as I’ve seen in other examples. It almost looks as if in some places, the lettering was printed over itself. Is this just some sort of fading that I haven’t seen before, or do you think there’s reason for concern about a redial?
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Mr.Jones
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Post by Mr.Jones on Apr 23, 2019 7:59:55 GMT -8
Kind of surprised by these. I have not seen them before. One just popped and then a second but with a lighter dial? The dial codes look the same and they have the curve that Patel's don't seem to have, there's no MADE IN JAPAN font...So are these a real deal? also two different sellers, but the name of the sellers town is off by a single initial... I've got one of the blue ones. Lovely little watch and I am fairly certain it's genuine.
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Post by replicant on May 2, 2019 15:30:16 GMT -8
Seiko MAC-V/SOG - I have a genuine 6119-8100. Naturally, I would love to continue to fill out my collection and pick up a 7005-8030 and even a 6619-8060 (not issued but still killer). I am going to go out on a limb and say that better than half, may 3/4 of the watches listed on a large auction site that claim to be issued MAC-V/SOG Seiko's are botched and completely bogus. Yet, people are still paying big money for them and it kind of ticks me off. I report these auctions but nothing comes of it. Am I out of line in my thinking? Should I even bother?
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Post by small on May 2, 2019 17:22:07 GMT -8
Seiko MAC-V/SOG - I have a genuine 6119-8100. Naturally, I would love to continue to fill out my collection and pick up a 7005-8030 and even a 6619-8060 (not issued but still killer). I am going to go out on a limb and say that better than half, may 3/4 of the watches listed on a large auction site that claim to be issued MAC-V/SOG Seiko's are botched and completely bogus. Yet, people are still paying big money for them and it kind of ticks me off. I report these auctions but nothing comes of it. Am I out of line in my thinking? Should I even bother? Since these watches are sterile and its based, from what I can tell, of a respected Seiko guy saying, he heard from a guy that knew a guy... I'm not sure who you are reporting the auctions to? Or what your trying to tell them. I'm certain eBay cares less, they are in it for a percentage$$$$...I have stopped reporting suspicious activity as it doesn't seem to do any good. I have stopped messaging sellers their watches are Patel specials or that the description says one thing and the watch in the photos is different than the description...Just time to move a long and let buyerbeware.
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Post by acidstain on May 11, 2019 17:05:14 GMT -8
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Post by SeikoSoMatic on May 17, 2019 6:57:19 GMT -8
What's wrong with this one? I see the lume on the indices is irregular and looks yellow, and doesn't match the hands. Anything else stand out as fakey / aftermarket? Would it be worth reluming?
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ouroboros
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Post by ouroboros on May 17, 2019 7:05:50 GMT -8
Based on that one photo, my opinion is that the sub-register hand does look OEM but with a bad repaint job.
The pushers have either been over-polished or are aftermarket.
Looking at the rest of the case it might be a case of the former though with such small fiddly parts it must have taken a lot of effort to polish.
I'm not sure about the main hands.
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Post by 69ChevelleSS on May 21, 2019 5:32:24 GMT -8
What's wrong with this one? I see the lume on the indices is irregular and looks yellow, and doesn't match the hands. Anything else stand out as fakey / aftermarket? Would it be worth reluming? Case look REALLY shiny. Not sure but I don't think Seiko would issue a case in that finish. Typically, the 6309 cases had brushed lines.
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Post by suntzu on May 25, 2019 10:45:57 GMT -8
What do you guys think? Fake? I think there should be an "m" after 70 with this dial and that case back looks painted on and not engraved. Click to blow up images.
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ouroboros
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Post by ouroboros on May 27, 2019 4:49:51 GMT -8
The m was only found in "proof" chronographs and some divers from the same era IIRC.
The black on the case back is either dirt or polishing rouge residue.
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