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Post by seikoholic on Aug 11, 2014 9:17:14 GMT -8
I've never owned one. They don't seem real to me. Plus they're so rare they start to fall into "unicorn" status for me. Well I know where there's one waiting to be built. Once that's done you can caress it and call it "precious"...for a short while anyway... I do too, trust me. I look at that box on the "pending" shelf and keep saying that it's time will come, and it will. I know a guy who has three of them - bought them all on board U.S. Navy carriers when he was a pilot.
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Post by saul on Aug 11, 2014 11:40:21 GMT -8
Well I know where there's one waiting to be built. Once that's done you can caress it and call it "precious"...for a short while anyway... I do too, trust me. I look at that box on the "pending" shelf and keep saying that it's time will come, and it will. I know a guy who has three of them - bought them all on board U.S. Navy carriers when he was a pilot. So the box is unopened? I'm still waiting for the praise on how well I packed the parts!
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Post by ninja01 on Aug 12, 2014 2:18:54 GMT -8
Iconic non-divers: From 1913, the 1st ever model of wristwatch from the Hattori Corp. [what we know as Seiko] See: seikoholics.yuku.com/sreply/912/1st-Generation-Laurel-intro-1913#.U-ngBaNpvNEAnd, from 1950s,
Seiko Marvel: Marvel really put Seiko on the map as a higher quality watch maker. From: seikoholics.yuku.com/topic/821/Some-Attributes-of-Movement-Quality#.U-nlU6NpvNEExcerpts: Marvel developed out of Super (a model of the 1st 1/2 of the 1950s), and according to Seiko literature, "The basic movement of the watch was therefore reviewed, and the Seiko Marvel was built with the intention of improving accuracy, productivity, and ease of maintenance." ... Marvel was also put to the test within Japan: "In 1957, it was also the first Japanese watch to win the men's wristwatch division of a contest held by the Japan branch of the American Horological Society, surpassing non-Japanese models such as the Omega. The Marvel lived up to its name and helped earn Japanese timepieces a reputation for excellence that resounded all over the world, even as far as Switzerland." 2. Lord Marvel {Ed Note: this can be considered the highest grade of Marvel rather than a separate model/family} was tested, according to the Seikomatic website, by "Ministry of International Trade and Industry central Inspection Institute of Weights and Measures" starting in 1961 in a "Long-term accuracy comparison examination". Results of the 30 day examination were announced in May, 1961 ["SEIKO NEWS NO.58" is referenced] and it appears the Lord Marvel achieved 1st Place [if I read the translation correctly, the test occurred among both Japanese domestic and foreign (likely all Swiss) models. Further longer-term tests of 3 examples ["used it for one and a half years in daily life"] were conducted until the 1963/1964 time-frame with excellent results again. Seikomatic says "Domestic production dominated the foreign country [offerings] in this examination, and Seiko loading [meaning: "Lord"] Marvel came in 1st place especially with the bad-mark system by a wonderful grade of 118 points." Another chart in that site does show the various overall positions of competitors with various Seiko models taking prominent spots. It is important to note that the tests were apparently conducted on examples purchased from stores in Japan, not "specially handled" examples obtained directly from the manufacturer! Various foreign and other domestic [non-Seiko Japanese] competitors rankings are also shown in the table. Finally, at the end of the '50s - the Gyro Marvel, Seiko's 1st self-developed automatic based on the hand-wind Marvel. seikoholics.yuku.com/sreply/231/Seiko-Gyro-Marvel-cal-290#.U-npA6NpvNEFrom '60s:1. The hi-end automatics. Here, I'd go either for the J13.083 [cal. 395 in the gold-capped case which is considered by some to be Seiko's 1st attempt at a luxury automatic] or the 6246 (or 6245 Date only) Chronometer. or... an alternative here would be the Seikomatic version of the 6246, the 6216: See: seikoholics.yuku.com/sreply/514/Seiko-62162. I'd have to agree w/ someone earlier who said the hand-wind GS 2nd generation [cal. 430, Model 43999] More @ seikoholics.yuku.com/sreply/383/Seiko-Calibre-430-GSAnd later, the VFA (Very Fine Adjusted) models of GS, the absolute hi-end of Seiko production. See: seikoholics.yuku.com/sreply/630/Seiko-Calibre-4580-4582-45GS-VFA#.U-ni4KNpvNEfor hand-wind examples. There were automatic counterparts: seikoholics.yuku.com/sreply/410/Seiko-6186-GS-VFAseikoholics.yuku.com/sreply/409/Seiko-6185-GS-VFAThe last digit of calibre# [in the newer style with 4 digits tells the display type + wind type: 5 is Auto-wind + Date, 6 is Auto-wind + Day/Date] 3. The 1st Generation King Seiko [hand-wind 25j, Previous calibre to the 44A] --------- Lots of others I suppose from '60s & '70s, depending on your preferences. Certainly the Crown Chronograph [5717, 5719] models [hand-wind "chronostop" type devices which were based on the Seiko Crown movement] The 6139 movement series of automatic chronographs, automatic & certainly one of the 1st 3 automatic chronograph products to make it to market & be successful in 1969. Also the various members of the 701x automatic fly-back chronograph movement family. I especially like the 7018 in the Timesonar style case. Mine: More about it @ seikoholics.yuku.com/sreply/627/70186000-Timesonar#.U-nnjaNpvNEAnyway, those are the most prominent of my picks for "iconic". Other ones may not be well enough known around the watch collector community in general.
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Post by J. F. Sebastian on Aug 12, 2014 2:58:44 GMT -8
Great post, Ninja! I'd never seen the Time Sonar chronos before, very cool, and I'm actually really getting into the 50s and 60s Seiko models these days.
My wife is very taken with the little fellow in the background of your 1913 Hattori Corp!
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Post by ninja01 on Aug 12, 2014 15:17:47 GMT -8
Great post, Ninja! I'd never seen the Time Sonar chronos before, very cool, and I'm actually really getting into the 50s and 60s Seiko models these days. My wife is very taken with the little fellow in the background of your 1913 Hattori Corp! Maraming salamat po! [Many thanks Sir!] There were (afaik) 3 different Timesonar models, the 7018 I showed, a 7015 Timesonar (seconds-only chrono), and a regular wristwatch [small size, womens/boys with a 2206 movement]. The 7015-6010: seikoholics.yuku.com/sreply/668/70156010-TimesonarEx. The 2206: seikoholics.yuku.com/sreply/1463/2206-Timesonar-styleYeah, that guy (behind Laurel) is kind of cute!!
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Post by Rod on Aug 12, 2014 20:26:47 GMT -8
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Post by seikoholic on Aug 12, 2014 21:35:45 GMT -8
eep I need to post - I have an early Seiko with a weird S ladies pocket watch, display back, manual wind. Someone remind me!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 22:09:00 GMT -8
Wow we have finally taken a left turn away from divers and into the realm of the sports and dress watches Iconic you say…. all the 1960 Alpinist's I've got to get myself a 60's Alpinist! Thanks for showing me one of those to break the bank account a tad more! As for the Seiko 7016 Monaco's can't stand those. They are like a 80's tacky kids watch.
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Post by J. F. Sebastian on Aug 12, 2014 22:49:36 GMT -8
I've got to get myself a 60's Alpinist! Thanks for showing me one of those to break the bank account a tad more! I second that emotion! Don't see to be a lot of them around, though.
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Post by ninja01 on Aug 14, 2014 2:18:24 GMT -8
Wow we have finally taken a left turn away from divers and into the realm of the sports and dress watches Iconic you say…. all the 1960 Alpinist's The 43666 Seikomatic and 43333 KS Chronometers All the Sealions The 7015-6-7-9 series The Cronus 23J The Business Bell and first Nov 1966 Bellmatic All good choices! I would add the Cronos Special ... as well as the Crown & Crown Special as they are so close to Cronos. In each case, the highest jewel count variant is 23. ========================= My black dialed 8306 Weekdater shown @ wristsushi.proboards.com/thread/4820/philippine-gems?page=1 is a Sealion too! More @ seikoholics.yuku.com/topic/563/Seiko-Sealion-8306-Look-what-followed-me-home#.U-yOCqNpvNE======================================== Don't forget the 7018 in your list of the 701x family. ======================================== Now: the important question ... Are all those shots from your own collection?? If so: WOW!!Oh yeah, tried doing a Like on your post, but it didn't seem to register ... Update: Oh wait ... tried yet again & it worked now for some reason
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Post by Rod on Aug 14, 2014 3:13:01 GMT -8
Wow we have finally taken a left turn away from divers and into the realm of the sports and dress watches Iconic you say…. all the 1960 Alpinist's The 43666 Seikomatic and 43333 KS Chronometers All the Sealions The 7015-6-7-9 series The Cronus 23J The Business Bell and first Nov 1966 Bellmatic All good choices! I would add the Cronos Special ... as well as the Crown & Crown Special as they are so close to Cronos. In each case, the highest jewel count variant is 23. ========================= My black dialed 8306 Weekdater shown @ wristsushi.proboards.com/thread/4820/philippine-gems?page=1 is a Sealion too! More @ seikoholics.yuku.com/topic/563/Seiko-Sealion-8306-Look-what-followed-me-home#.U-yOCqNpvNE======================================== Don't forget the 7018 in your list of the 701x family. ======================================== Now: the important question ... Are all those shots from your own collection?? If so: WOW!!Oh yeah, tried doing a Like on your post, but it didn't seem to register ... Update: Oh wait ... tried yet again & it worked now for some reason Ninja, we know each other from DR Seiko. Some of these i have sold, well only the Alpinists, the rest are still with me and there are many more. One day I'll sit down and do a "look what I've got" post. Until then I'll keep surprising myself when i do a "look through the boxes" for something special to wear. Iconic? well you can't get more iconic than these
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Post by sweephand on Aug 14, 2014 3:50:41 GMT -8
Not sure 'iconic' is the right word, but these are what I would call important / milestone watches from Citizen: 1. the F-Type, Citizen's first wrist watch, 1931: 2: The Auto of 1958, Citizen's first automatic: 3: The Deluxe Parawater - the DX was Citizen's first big seller, and was the first Japanese watch with a waterproof case, 1959: 4: The 02 Homer, 1960 - very successful hand winder, with long production run: 5: The Jet Automatic, 1961 featuring Citizen's toothed circular rotor: 6: The X8 Electric Watch, Japan's first 'electronic' watch, 1966: 7: The X8 Chronometer Titanium - the world's first titanium watch case, 1970: 8: The Custom V2 'Blackie', Citizen's first light alloy case with black coating, 1970: Stephen
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Post by ninja01 on Aug 14, 2014 13:08:04 GMT -8
Not sure 'iconic' is the right word, but these are what I would call important / milestone watches from Citizen: 1. the F-Type, Citizen's first wrist watch, 1931: ... 5: The Jet Automatic, 1961 featuring Citizen's toothed circular rotor: Stephen Hi Stephen! I wondered if you would bring up Citizen!! I didn't mention in my "Gems" posts that my Citizen expo-back is also an "F" type as well, but a later movement "generation": @ wristsushi.proboards.com/thread/4820/philippine-gems?page=1As I said @ Dr. Seiko: "About "F" type movements in Citizen. If you do search thru threads or database entries here [Dr. Seiko site], you'll see that there actually were (in Mens anyway) several architectures all called "F". Why Citizen just called these rather different designs all by 1 designator, I don't know!..." seikoholics.yuku.com/reply/6467/More-for-the-ladies#reply-6467Then there's my "Jet" in the 39j variant (from that same thread): How about this one?? Rather like the Cronos shown earlier in many ways! Nice of you to add some non-Seiko content to this thread!!
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Post by ninja01 on Aug 14, 2014 13:14:27 GMT -8
OK, since Sweephand has opened the subject of NON-Seiko models, then I'll add an Orient: An Iconic "trend" in the '60s was - as I call it - "The Jewel Wars": seikoholics.yuku.com/topic/565/The-Jewel-Wars-winners-Orient-vs-Waltham#.U-0ltKNpvNEand as far as I can tell, the "winner" overall - at 100 jewels, with the best of the designs that came out in that number ... was the Orient Grand Prix 100: You've seen my gold one, now (above) is an SS example. Catch the "Philippine Gems" thread for the movement shot of mine.
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Post by ninja01 on Aug 16, 2014 19:52:29 GMT -8
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Post by ninja01 on Aug 16, 2014 20:09:29 GMT -8
Another "quirky" trend were the novelty dials of '50s & '60s: Orient's take on a "horoscope" dial: From the Royal line [was their highest quality hand-wind movement before Grand Prix was introduced. Now, the same idea from Seiko: Also, the Mystery Dial concept: Now, Orient: and From Seiko, Cronos with "Sun & Moon" Dial: Read about it @ seikoholics.yuku.com/topic/1022/Seiko-Cronos-24Hr-with-sun-and-moon-indicator#.U_AoL6NpvNEWhat this could be is like a DOXA "Sun and Moon" I've got pictured in a book, with a 17j Chezard cal. 116 inside. Interesting note there is that the calibre has a 'springing seconds' ... so pretty much a 'dead-beat' mechanical watch movement [thus 'looking'/acting like a typical quartz watch second hand ... of course, this was likely made/designed BEFORE quartz movement adoption in the wristwatch product line-up]. A Seiko Marvel with a "tree bark" pattern dial: That's just a sample of the "novelty dial" phenomenon of those days.
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Post by Rod on Aug 17, 2014 3:40:06 GMT -8
From Seiko, Cronos with "Sun & Moon" Dial: Read about it @ seikoholics.yuku.com/topic/1022/Seiko-Cronos-24Hr-with-sun-and-moon-indicator#.U_AoL6NpvNEWhat this could be is like a DOXA "Sun and Moon" I've got pictured in a book, with a 17j Chezard cal. 116 inside. Interesting note there is that the calibre has a 'springing seconds' ... so pretty much a 'dead-beat' mechanical watch movement [thus 'looking'/acting like a typical quartz watch second hand ... of course, this was likely made/designed BEFORE quartz movement adoption in the wristwatch product line-up]. As you may know this is my current grail
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Post by donciccio on Aug 17, 2014 5:12:32 GMT -8
OK, since Sweephand has opened the subject of NON-Seiko models, then I'll add an Orient: An Iconic "trend" in the '60s was - as I call it - "The Jewel Wars": seikoholics.yuku.com/topic/565/The-Jewel-Wars-winners-Orient-vs-Waltham#.U-0ltKNpvNEand as far as I can tell, the "winner" overall - at 100 jewels, with the best of the designs that came out in that number ... was the Orient Grand Prix 100: You've seen my gold one, now (above) is an SS example. Catch the "Philippine Gems" thread for the movement shot of mine.
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Post by madeofducktape on Aug 19, 2014 4:32:37 GMT -8
What about the navigator timer or world timer models?
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