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Post by J. F. Sebastian on Oct 20, 2014 16:21:26 GMT -8
I'd like to invite all folks who have 'em to post photos in this thread of their favourite manual-winding Japanese watches. I'm not talking about automatics which can also be wound by hand if the mood takes you, I'm talking about watches who were born without rotors and won't tick over without a bit of thumb-and-forefinger action. Me? I don't have any (yet). But I will surely be enjoying the show.  |
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Post by ninja01 on Oct 20, 2014 16:59:24 GMT -8
OK, well just posted a bunch over in the "Seiko Collection not complete without..." thread 3rd page. wristsushi.proboards.com/thread/12/seiko-collection-complete?page=3&scrollTo=63282But here's some shots again, go to that thread for further explanation: '50s examples:   note the "Antishock" vs. "Diashock" on the dial ... and then check out the shock protection system itself on the balance!! This is one of Seiko's early designs!!   early '60s:  Early Grand Seiko models (hand-wind lines from Suwa & Daini):    Early King Seikos:   Goldfeather models:     OK< it's just a sampler!! I'd also add Seiko Super & Unique from the '50s; Crown Special from '60s; 5740C - 1st 36Kbph Seiko; & 45 KS and GS models to the list. |
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Post by thianwong on Oct 20, 2014 17:09:05 GMT -8
Ninja, that gold Grand Seiko is very nice!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 18:07:37 GMT -8
I have a couple... Citizen Newmaster.  Seiko 6602B.  Seiko 66B.  Seiko 6602B.  Seiko 7000-8000.  There are a couple of dozen Chinese, an Indian HMT, a couple of Russian/Soviet and Timex galore. |
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Post by J. F. Sebastian on Oct 20, 2014 18:47:42 GMT -8
I love the shape of the bridges on this one! Super funky. |
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Post by J. F. Sebastian on Oct 20, 2014 18:49:16 GMT -8
There are a couple of dozen Chinese, an Indian HMT, a couple of Russian/Soviet and Timex galore. I just learned yesterday (slightly behind the times) that HMT is/are shutting down. Perhaps inevitable (you can only continue to pretend it's the 1960s for so long, I suppose), but a shame nevertheless. |
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Post by sweephand on Oct 21, 2014 11:44:06 GMT -8
Here are some vintage Citizens that fit the bill - hard to choose favourites, they all have their own and sometimes different qualities: Crystate and Crystate Deluxe:   Seven:  Ace Discus:   Deluxe Parawater:  Homer Railroad:  Junior:  Master:  Diamond Flake:  Super Deluxe:   Custom V2 Alarm:  Record Master Rally Custom:  Stephen |
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Post by J. F. Sebastian on Oct 21, 2014 15:07:13 GMT -8
Custom V2 Alarm: Record Master Rally Custom: Big fan of these last two!  Are there any other hand winding chronos from Japan? |
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Post by ninja01 on Oct 21, 2014 15:47:03 GMT -8
Now that Citizen has been brought up, I'll show some non-Seiko examples from my collection as well!! 1. Orient: from the mid to late '50s    and from the high end of the product line in the early '60s: Royal Calendar    The Royal (without calendar) was the base movement for the 1st model of automatic Orient:   Not sure if you can tell from the pics, but the auto-wind system is the IWC Pellaton design!! And an exterior shot of that model:  - see, it was PERFECT Self Winding!!  Can't do better than perfection, right??  Back to hand-wind, this is what replaced the Royal... Grand Prix hand-wind, calendar variant of movement    2. Citizen from the '50s (probably 1st 1/2 of '50s)   from the early '60s    I have one of those Recordmaster Rally Custom chronostops as well!! Not in as nice condition as the one shown though. 3. A final Seiko I didn't show here before: Unique from Daini, 2nd 1/2 of '50s  This is apparently a quirky & old re-dial, possibly Japanese These and others can be seen @ wristsushi.proboards.com/thread/4820/philippine-gems?page=1and wristsushi.proboards.com/thread/5286/gold-watches?page=2For example, another 1st Generation King Seiko bigger diameter than my other one I showed in earlier threads, also has "Special Dial" (note the dial logo) unlike that 1st example I showed in the above referenced threads:  I've been told that "Special Dial" indicates solid gold indices.  |
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Post by seikoholic on Oct 21, 2014 18:38:49 GMT -8
Do the 6138s count?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 18:48:24 GMT -8
J.F. is looking for manual wind only watches. |
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Post by seikoholic on Oct 21, 2014 18:49:18 GMT -8
J.F. is looking for manual wind only watches. I can pull the winding bridge on one... |
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Post by J. F. Sebastian on Oct 21, 2014 19:39:19 GMT -8
J.F. is looking for manual wind only watches. I am, but I'm glad to have learned that 6138s can be hand wound and 6139s cannot. If I ever go after a Seiko chrono, this will probably influence my choice of target. |
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Post by seikoholic on Oct 21, 2014 21:12:36 GMT -8
J.F. is looking for manual wind only watches. I am, but I'm glad to have learned that 6138s can be hand wound and 6139s cannot. If I ever go after a Seiko chrono, this will probably influence my choice of target. It's a very nice feature. |
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Post by ninja01 on Oct 21, 2014 21:24:43 GMT -8
... I'm glad to have learned that 6138s can be hand wound and 6139s cannot. If I ever go after a Seiko chrono, this will probably influence my choice of target. OK, you will also want to know that the 701x series of chronostops and chronographs also can NOT be hand-wound either. There are some beautiful & interesting models in that family, including Timesonar and slide-rule designs and some interesting colorful dials. |
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Post by J. F. Sebastian on Oct 21, 2014 21:29:53 GMT -8
There are some beautiful & interesting models in that family, including Timesonar and slide-rule designs and some interesting colorful dials. You are not kidding! Every time you post a photo one of those Timesonars, I'm all  . |
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Post by seikoholic on Oct 22, 2014 18:51:48 GMT -8
There are some beautiful & interesting models in that family, including Timesonar and slide-rule designs and some interesting colorful dials. You are not kidding! Every time you post a photo one of those Timesonars, I'm all . They're cool. The acrylic display casebacks sometimes will crack around the edge, and since the serial number etc were printed on the outside of it, that info wears away. So a lot of them are anonymous. Anyway, I have a late addition to the hand-wind thread, thanks to Seikola! A very late Soviet-made Slava hand-wind. 26 jewels (9 for the calendar!) and double mainsprings. Wacky.  |
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Post by J. F. Sebastian on Oct 22, 2014 19:19:46 GMT -8
Very nice! Double mainsprings seems super cool, how does that work out mechanically? An idler gear between the two barrels? Has Japan ever done one of these?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 0:56:08 GMT -8
My 1960 66-8050 manual wind. Probably the best time keeper I have and one of my favourites.  |
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Post by seikoholic on Oct 23, 2014 6:24:10 GMT -8
Very nice! Double mainsprings seems super cool, how does that work out mechanically? An idler gear between the two barrels? Has Japan ever done one of these? I didn't take any shots but I've put one below that I found online. I'm not sure if the mainsprings operate in parallel or series, but they wind simultaneously. Another interesting thing is that nine of the 26 jewels are for the calendar, so the heart of the watch is really only a 15j. EDIT: One suggestion I've read (at Reddit heh) is that the dual mainsprings were to put more power in a smaller movement to run a relatively huge balance, where a larger mainspring would have been called for but not usable due to size.  |
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