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Post by pollythecat on Mar 2, 2015 5:32:20 GMT -8
Greed Bay sums up the blood sucking leeches rather nicely Stefan.
For a non bricks and mortar auction house they charge way too much IMO. For a private seller it make you think twice sometimes but for a business using Ebay to augment their income it is galling when Ebay combined with PayPal make more profit on your business than you do.
If you rely on Ebay solely you are stuffed and have to grin and bear it, just think of the owners and shareholders living the life of Riley of your back. Bloody bastards, and they treat sellers like poo as if the fees are not enough.
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Post by stevenjohn on Mar 2, 2015 10:05:59 GMT -8
I need to PM you instead with purchases to get around those fees. Do you have a website with a current stock list? That would help me out.
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Post by seikoholic on Mar 2, 2015 10:12:51 GMT -8
For years it's been increasingly clear that of the many things that eBay hates, sellers are at the top of the list. Sellers have no protection, no recourse, and are forced to pay more every year for the privilege of being mistreated and disrespected. eBay's true feelings about sellers are no doubt based on solid numbers, on projections, on liabilities, all wrapped up in long business plans. They're guaranteeing a positive buyer experience no matter what. In order to pay for that (satisfaction guarantees, return shipping of items) they've stripped buyers of any ability to protect themselves, but made up for it by charging them more to sell. And it takes real work to be a seller now. The hoops that Sabrina had to jump through to get her seller account up and running were amazing. And it was months of work before she received her own money from payments right away. Literally three months of paypal holding payments. How any new sellers are expected to start up is a mystery to me.
And against this, now a buyer can return an item for any reason at all, the seller must pay for that return shipping, and the buyer could return a rock and still get a refund.
I have to say though - as a buyer, eBay is awesome. But with sellers being pushed and squeezed, there will be fewer and fewer people to buy from.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 10:39:32 GMT -8
You'll have to raise your prices. Your 50% cheaper than the main other Seiko spares guy on evilBay anyway. I'd be happy to pay more if it meant you were there hunting out these rare spares for my watches. Anyone who doesn't agree go find the center chrono wheels, crowns, stems and wotnots you need and see how easy these parts are to find. Very fair prices all day long mate.
Sorry man evilBay are after every penny the can squeeze out of you and have been as you well know for years. Until another setup like evilBay arrives then they have you by the short and curlies. They are more expensive than any auction house in the UK now including Bonhams, Christies and Sotherbys. Over 30% at the end of the day and your doing all the hard work.
Your more than welcome to a page on my website which gets massive amounts of hits per day and is at the top of the search engines. I can update it today if you like with your details. More than welcome.
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Mar 2, 2015 18:17:54 GMT -8
I'm just thinking, Wordpress style sites these days are pretty easy to setup and administer. You can easily add an online shopping module to the site and pay via paypal. I seem to be doing more and more of them lately for various things. So seriously speaking, and because I know a few of us here peddle bits and pieces, does it sound somewhat practical to register a domain name and start something like a vintage marketplace? Is that something that could get traction over ebay? I mean, collectively, we would have enough offerings to become a mini supply house. What's the feel about that? Here's my WooCommerce module - www.innovationsystems.com.au/?post_type=productThat's barely customised, there's a zillion ways you can lay out the products. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 18:55:02 GMT -8
I'm just thinking, Wordpress style sites these days are pretty easy to setup and administer. You can easily add an online shopping module to the site and pay via paypal. I seem to be doing more and more of them lately for various things. So seriously speaking, and because I know a few of us here peddle bits and pieces, does it sound somewhat practical to register a domain name and start something like a vintage marketplace? Is that something that could get traction over ebay? I mean, collectively, we would have enough offerings to become a mini supply house. What's the feel about that? Here's my WooCommerce module - www.innovationsystems.com.au/?post_type=productThat's barely customised, there's a zillion ways you can lay out the products. What a great idea...Wrist Sushi Watch Findings 7dfe79adc2f0 |
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Post by Groundhog66 on Mar 2, 2015 20:24:41 GMT -8
I have contemplated putting together an online storefront, just wasn't sure there would be enough interest. I own wristsushi.com, and it would be nice to create another entity to pair with the forum.
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Mar 2, 2015 20:40:36 GMT -8
I'd want to do a slightly more generic name. I won't list any here as they might get snaffled. But something that is generic enough to get a worldwide audience easily. I have contemplated putting together an online storefront, just wasn't sure there would be enough interest. I own wristsushi.com, and it would be nice to create another entity to pair with the forum. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 1:54:29 GMT -8
We will get a nice internet spot setup for you don't worry geezer. Just need a little time as I'm getting into serious backlogs with my work at the moment. Give it a couple of weeks or so and we will have a site up and running for you.
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Mar 3, 2015 2:59:54 GMT -8
If we have a few punters, I can have a pro looking site up within a week. I already have a hosting account that I run a few sites on, so it's just a matter of making a new wordpress instance and adding the store module.
Setting up products is fairly easy if you're using a flat postage rate. Variable postage rates are tricky.
The only other bit that's a bit tricky is how payments would work.
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Post by Rod on Mar 3, 2015 14:40:46 GMT -8
Wow great idea!
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Post by lordflagpolecrabtree on Mar 3, 2015 15:09:08 GMT -8
I'll be needing a crown (and possibly stem) for a 6620-9970 soon, so there ya go, first customer already !  |
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Post by Benchdweller on Mar 3, 2015 17:40:57 GMT -8
Get a website up and running, lets say Schillachi.com for this example, then open a new ebay account with the user name Schillachidotcom. Start listing parts on ebay under the new account with a line under each description letting the punters know that you may not have what they want listed on ebay but it may be available on your website. I know ebay frown on people including web addresses in their listings or having it watermarked on the pictures but its still commonplace on there with many of the business sellers.
Edit: You won't need to put a web address in your listings or pics, hopefully people will read that there is a site out there and then clock your username and put 2+2 together.
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Mar 4, 2015 1:23:22 GMT -8
I use ebay for lead generation to my website. It's a good strategy, I like it. I will probably have a bit more time now as we have just dropped one of our major projects (on the 3D printing stuff). So I'll have a bit more time to devote to building my gasket empire and stuff like this. Get a website up and running, lets say Schillachi.com for this example, then open a new ebay account with the user name Schillachidotcom. Start listing parts on ebay under the new account with a line under each description letting the punters know that you may not have what they want listed on ebay but it may be available on your website. I know ebay frown on people including web addresses in their listings or having it watermarked on the pictures but its still commonplace on there with many of the business sellers. Edit: You won't need to put a web address in your listings or pics, hopefully people will read that there is a site out there and then clock your username and put 2+2 together. |
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Post by seikoholic on Mar 4, 2015 9:13:26 GMT -8
We are very serious about taking part in a joint parts website venture. I've talked to Tony about it a bit, but if we make a parts central clearinghouse website that would be fantastic, and I know others who might be interested in joining in as well.
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Mar 4, 2015 17:05:53 GMT -8
OK well, we have a few votes of confidence.
The hairiest part is working out how we get paid (note this is a huge priority for success). Basically I see we have two options -
1. Set up a communal paypal then someone manages the reconciliation and distributing the payment daily (this is risky and also doesn't have a lot of privacy)
2. On the listings, we have a line "Pay Bob Mcgregor - bob@gmail.com" type deal.
Perhaps we could try no.2 first and see how that goes. It still needs someone, I think, to oversee the orders and guarantee fulfilment, otherwise you could degrade the value of the site quite quickly. I'm also not sure how the shopping cart module handles something like this. I'll look into it further and do some testing.
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Post by Groundhog66 on Mar 4, 2015 17:14:26 GMT -8
OK well, we have a few votes of confidence. The hairiest part is working out how we get paid (note this is a huge priority for success). Basically I see we have two options - 1. Set up a communal paypal then someone manages the reconciliation and distributing the payment daily (this is risky and also doesn't have a lot of privacy) 2. On the listings, we have a line "Pay Bob Mcgregor - bob@gmail.com" type deal. Perhaps we could try no.2 first and see how that goes. It still needs someone, I think, to oversee the orders and guarantee fulfilment, otherwise you could degrade the value of the site quite quickly. I'm also not sure how the shopping cart module handles something like this. I'll look into it further and do some testing. Adrian. I don't think you can half-ass something like this, it needs to be set up correctly. There has to be a way, to set up separate shops on a single website. That way, orders go to the proper PP account, and each individual can fill their own orders. Having them all funnel to one account, and trying to figure them out from there sounds like a nightmare. |
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Mar 4, 2015 18:14:36 GMT -8
Good point. So it would need to be a structure more like Etsy or something. OK well, we have a few votes of confidence. The hairiest part is working out how we get paid (note this is a huge priority for success). Basically I see we have two options - 1. Set up a communal paypal then someone manages the reconciliation and distributing the payment daily (this is risky and also doesn't have a lot of privacy) 2. On the listings, we have a line "Pay Bob Mcgregor - bob@gmail.com" type deal. Perhaps we could try no.2 first and see how that goes. It still needs someone, I think, to oversee the orders and guarantee fulfilment, otherwise you could degrade the value of the site quite quickly. I'm also not sure how the shopping cart module handles something like this. I'll look into it further and do some testing. Adrian. I don't think you can half-ass something like this, it needs to be set up correctly. There has to be a way, to set up separate shops on a single website. That way, orders go to the proper PP account, and each individual can fill their own orders. Having them all funnel to one account, and trying to figure them out from there sounds like a nightmare. |
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Post by igniferroque on Mar 4, 2015 19:55:21 GMT -8
Good point. So it would need to be a structure more like Etsy or something. You can get crazy complicated with this stuff, but I think the thing that is most valuable to you is just listing your inventory online so that it comes up in searches and people are aware that you're selling it and they can find you. Beyond that, the simplest possible thing you could do (maybe the best option, maybe not) is just have people email you requests and send them a paypal invoice. |
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Post by Rod on Mar 4, 2015 20:06:42 GMT -8
Good point. So it would need to be a structure more like Etsy or something. I don't think you can half-ass something like this, it needs to be set up correctly. There has to be a way, to set up separate shops on a single website. That way, orders go to the proper PP account, and each individual can fill their own orders. Having them all funnel to one account, and trying to figure them out from there sounds like a nightmare. Nowwww taking this one step further could other people add the stock/parts to the site? I would love to see this advance and think that the major sellers out there would love the opportunity to escape the horrendous ebay price to a site that they control. |
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