ethan
Can't Tell Time
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Post by ethan on Dec 12, 2023 5:41:46 GMT -8
These are fun to collect and some are challenging to source. Which dial codes / colors do you have? Yea, the alarm is really fun to play with. Especially good for a boring afternoon in the office... Haha. The 4006-6020 is black dial with blue minute track ring and the 4006-6021 is brown dial with white minute track ring. Based on what I researched online, both of mine are still original. Many of the Bell-matic I see here have the inner ring, alarm indicator, caseback, etc. all mixed up. Really need some luck to get something in all original condition.
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Post by dapellegrini on Dec 27, 2023 11:25:43 GMT -8
Here's a bit of detail that I accidentally stumbled on while trying to round out my bell-matic collection with all of the gold tone versions that I have avoided up until now. The watch on the left is a 6020, from Ukraine (I know, but it is legit). It is one of the few I have seen on this Bruce Lee style bracelet in gold-tone. The watch on the right is a 6021 from the USA, a seller with 0-reviews and no other items for sale - s/he insisted s/he got this in the mid 70's and it's been in a drawer ever since. Despite the odd dial marks / patina (which s/he hid with blurry photos), I am inclined to believe the story. Well except that the watch is marked SGP, and I believe it would have had to been BASE METAL if sold in the USA originally, but then I didn't ask this person where they lived at the time... I received the 6020 last night and was working on cleaning it up when it struck me that it's dial (and bezel) are white, while the 6021's bezel at least is gold tone, and the dial SEEMS more gold-ish. It was dark, and under artificial lighting I decided the bezels are different, but the dials must be the same. This morning I pulled them out and got some direct sunlight, and am now convinced these are two different dials. The 6021 from the USA has a definite gold hue - but it seems impossible to capture it in a photo. I then went paging through the many sales listing photos that I have accumulated and can confirm that most appear to have the white dial and white bezel in the SGP case (with gilt indices and hands), but also many have the gold bezel. Almost none have original bracelets... I don't know if these are strictly correct setups, but I suspect they are. So, for the one other person in the world reading this, who is also interested in the SGP 4006-602x, there are two versions of this "light" dial SGP watch.
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Post by dapellegrini on Dec 27, 2023 11:32:20 GMT -8
Here are all three. I think these are the 3 SGP versions of the 4006-601x. I thought it odd that the numbers on the black dial version's inner bezel are white instead of yellow, but that seems to be the case with all cataloged examples Here's the data set seikoworldtime.com/scanner/bellmatics#4006-601X
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Post by dapellegrini on Jan 7, 2024 11:27:58 GMT -8
Another interesting "fake gold" discovery - the 7080T dial came in white with Gilt indices AND golden with Gilt indices.... and now you know
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ethan
Can't Tell Time
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Post by ethan on Jan 8, 2024 8:02:54 GMT -8
Here's a bit of detail that I accidentally stumbled on while trying to round out my bell-matic collection with all of the gold tone versions that I have avoided up until now. The watch on the left is a 6020, from Ukraine (I know, but it is legit). It is one of the few I have seen on this Bruce Lee style bracelet in gold-tone. The watch on the right is a 6021 from the USA, a seller with 0-reviews and no other items for sale - s/he insisted s/he got this in the mid 70's and it's been in a drawer ever since. Despite the odd dial marks / patina (which s/he hid with blurry photos), I am inclined to believe the story. Well except that the watch is marked SGP, and I believe it would have had to been BASE METAL if sold in the USA originally, but then I didn't ask this person where they lived at the time... I received the 6020 last night and was working on cleaning it up when it struck me that it's dial (and bezel) are white, while the 6021's bezel at least is gold tone, and the dial SEEMS more gold-ish. It was dark, and under artificial lighting I decided the bezels are different, but the dials must be the same. This morning I pulled them out and got some direct sunlight, and am now convinced these are two different dials. The 6021 from the USA has a definite gold hue - but it seems impossible to capture it in a photo. I then went paging through the many sales listing photos that I have accumulated and can confirm that most appear to have the white dial and white bezel in the SGP case (with gilt indices and hands), but also many have the gold bezel. Almost none have original bracelets... I don't know if these are strictly correct setups, but I suspect they are. So, for the one other person in the world reading this, who is also interested in the SGP 4006-602x, there are two versions of this "light" dial SGP watch. I think you mean 601X instead of 602x. 😉
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Post by dapellegrini on Jan 8, 2024 8:19:15 GMT -8
Yes, thanks for the correction - fixed now!
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Post by dapellegrini on Jan 8, 2024 17:31:22 GMT -8
As I am working on a "Reference Set", I have come to realize that there are A LOT of unique variants to collect, ignoring small things like case back type, dial code end in 0 or 1, early or late SUWA logo, etc. Here's a quick summary...
UNIQUE CASE / DIAL COMBOS BY MODEL GROUP:
4006-700x = 14 4006-701x = 11 + 3 co-branded rarities 4006-702x = 18 4005-7000 = 5 4006-600x = 4 4006-601x = 7 4006-602x = 3 (there might be a 4th) 4006-603x = 7 4006-604x = 6 4006-605x = 3 4006-606x = 3 4006-607x = 5 4006-608x = 3
Thats somewhere between 91-94 unique case / dial combos to collect! At some point I will put together a collector's card / sheet, for now I seem to still be adding / discovering watches I hadn't realized exist... I *think I have 26 to go for a complete Reference Set, which does not include the co-branded versions.
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Post by dapellegrini on Jan 22, 2024 13:30:26 GMT -8
Back on the topic of original chiclet style bracelets on the 4006-7000, there is yet another. For posterity, here's a re-org, the H-link version is the addition this time Railroad underside v1, Flat Arch: SPECULATION: FOR THE 6N AND 6D / DIASHOCK VERSIONS - Railroad Style underside
- Two narrow hoops / rings into the end links
- End links with flat / not rolled edges
- End Links not signed
- The clasp is marked "7B"
- Removable links via Cotter Pins
Railroad underside v2, Arched:SPECULATION: PERHAPS FOR THE TRANSITIONAL 71 CASE - Same as the v1, except end links shape is a bit different and doesn't seem to fit the 6N/6D case
- Also, the arrows on the removable links point opposite directions on this vs the "7B" version
- The clasp is marked "7C"
H-Link (the newest addition to this list)
SPECULATION: FOR THE 7000T DIALS FROM 72 ON - As the name suggested, the underside of the links is in an H-link pattern
- The bracelet attaches with one longer loop into the end links
- End links with rolled top and bottom edges
- End links not signed
- The clasp is marked "7B"
- Removable Links via spring bars, accessed from the bottom of the bracelet
PUSH links, not signed
SPECULATION: FOR THE 7070T DIAL VERSIONS - Two wide hoops / rings into the end links
- End links with flat / not rolled edges
- End Links not signed
- The clasp is marked "7C"
- Removable Links via spring bars, accessed from the side of the bracelet
PUSH links, signed
SPECULATION: FOR THE 7070T DIAL VERSIONS - Two wide hoops / rings into the end links
- End links with rolled top edge
- End Links signed 4006-700
- The clasp is marked "8C"
- Removable Links via spring bars, accessed from the side of the bracelet
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