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Post by dapellegrini on Nov 22, 2021 16:30:33 GMT -8
Just received my first Asian Times watch this evening - in pretty good condition - overall very happy with it. This one will be going in for service soon, in the meantime a question for those of you know know the anatomy of these things better than I... the only obvious damage (aside from some rubbing in the movement) are these bent areas of what looks like a thin silver ring underneath the crystal... Question(s) - What is this part? - Is it easy to bend back into shape or better to find a replacement part? - Would a new (aftermarket) crystal likely hide it anyways? Apologies for the bad lighting - the sun is down and I am going by the light of my monitors... Also, I'm happy to confirm dimensions - oddly the lugs seem to be a little narrower than the 19mm found on my two 6217-7000's compared to 19mm on the 7000 Compared to 43-43.5mm on the 7000 compared to 37.5 on the 7000 About the same on the 7000 (hard to be sure without OEM crystals) Here are the 7000's measures: seikoworldtime.com/articles/6217-7000#measurements
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Post by inboost on Nov 22, 2021 17:15:34 GMT -8
Congratulations dapellegrini! Good to see it made it's way to you safely.
Hopefully that tweaked bit of metal is a 'Tension Ring' and comes with the replacement crystal. Others with experience with this particular model would need to confirm it though. My 1970 casing parts catalog calls out a 350W02AN crystal which would probably include the ring.
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Post by dapellegrini on Nov 27, 2021 11:14:42 GMT -8
I just received my first 6117-601X, a black/gray dial 6010. The dial looks very good, but the crown is completely unusable / stuck - so going in for service very soon. Here's a quick photo: Having this model in hand has allowed me to do a direct comparison of the case vs the 6217-7010 Asian Games. I had suspected them to be the same, but they are not. They are very similar, same case dimensions, but different in the details. Most obvious difference is the underside of the case where it meets up with the screw-down case back. Here is the 6217-7010 on top, vs the 6117-6010 on the bottom: Here's what that looks like from the underside:
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Post by inboost on Nov 28, 2021 8:07:39 GMT -8
First, congratulations on the two recent additions! I hope you can get some details on the crown issue, I'm very curious what the problems are there. If you have the wherewithal to remove the case backs, I wonder if it's worth a quick peek to see if the rotors are different profiles to match the difference in the case back heights?
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Post by dapellegrini on Nov 28, 2021 15:42:38 GMT -8
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Post by inboost on Nov 30, 2021 6:41:10 GMT -8
Looks like there are differences then, but form the photos I'm not sure one could say either case back could allow free rotation of either rotor. In a different way to put it, if one experimentally transferred the movements to the opposite cases, would the rotors still be able to spin freely with the case backs screwed down? OR is it that the rotor would need to stay with the case instead of the movement to remain operational?
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Post by dapellegrini on Nov 30, 2021 9:24:38 GMT -8
I think what we are seeing here is that the caliber 6217A is quite different from the 6117A. Not sure they share a whole lot of common parts. The later's case back is much "deeper". Not sure if you could swap the movements and cases and get everything to close up correctly - the movements themselves have different measurements - but we are talking fractions of mm's here: Here's the 6217A sheet: watchguy.co.uk/tmp/6217A-17j.pdf27.60mm x 5.35mm Here's the 6117A sheet: watchguy.co.uk/cgi-bin/files?showfile=Seiko/6117A.pdf&filename=6117A.pdf&dir=Technical%20Manuals&action=documents27.00mm x 5.10mm I have seen 6117B movements in these older 6117-601X models - incorrectly - but I think the change from 6117A to 6117B was just a few extra parts of the hacking seconds - otherwise identical.
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Post by inboost on Nov 30, 2021 9:50:18 GMT -8
Whoops I missed the movement difference there dapellegrini, thanks for sorting me out! Speaking of which did a 6117-6010 just become part of the collection?
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Post by dapellegrini on Nov 30, 2021 10:04:07 GMT -8
Yes, there is a silver dial 6117-6010 in the mail today - hope to have it this weekend.
Here's where I am at, collection-wise (bold are items I am actively looking for)
Mechanical World Times
- 6217-7000 - silver dial - 6217-7000 - gray dial - 6217-7010 - asian games - 6217-7010 - silver dial lumed - 6217-7010 - gray dial lumed
- 6117-601X - silver dial
- 6117-601X - gray dial
- 6117-640X - white dial
- 6117-640X - black dial
Digital World Times
- M158-5009 - PAN-AM - M158-5000 - PAN-AM (full city names) - A239-50XX - Dual LCD - specifically the black screen surround, 5000 version - A358-50XX - The "Forgotten one" - A708-XXXX - The "Cheap one"
- A718-5010 - The "John Cleese's Cousin" - A718-5030 - The "John Cleese"
Additionally, I am still looking for:
- The correct Mini-Coffin link bracelet for the Asian Games - And a replacement case back for my gray 6217-7000 - as it's original case back has started to crack / break
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Post by inboost on Nov 30, 2021 10:23:55 GMT -8
Excellent, congratulations on adding 'the next one' to the museum!
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Post by dapellegrini on Dec 3, 2021 19:16:22 GMT -8
Just received the silver dial 6117-6010 - pristine dial, hands oddly dirty, and case more beat up than I would prefer - but I think it will clean-up well... Here are the two 6010's getting ready to go in for a full overhaul:
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Post by HiBeat on Dec 3, 2021 20:37:57 GMT -8
Congratulations dapellegrini ! Good to see it made it's way to you safely.
Hopefully that tweaked bit of metal is a 'Tension Ring' and comes with the replacement crystal. Others with experience with this particular model would need to confirm it though. My 1970 casing parts catalog calls out a 350W02AN crystal which would probably include the ring.
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"W" crystals don't have tension rings, only "T" part numbers. No tension ring needed here, the bezel holds it down.
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Post by inboost on Dec 4, 2021 8:19:45 GMT -8
dapellegrini - Those looks great from here, I bet after service they will sparkle! HiBeat - Got it, the 't' is for tension ring then? There does seem to be some kind of trim in the photo above that was a bit out of shape. IS that something else?
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Post by dapellegrini on Dec 4, 2021 10:40:25 GMT -8
I got a few of these: 350W02AN www.ebay.com/itm/143470218850And they did come with the inner rings - though they are bent up a bit. Not sure if they will flatten out under pressure? With the 6217-7010 you can definitely see this ring - its like a space-filler between the edge of the inner bezel and the case. I'm also going to pick up a couple 340T06AN-S's... I think the S is for SILVER color. I see a G for GOLD, but no B for BLACK(gray), so guessing the Gray and Silver dials use the Silver inner ring.
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Post by inboost on Dec 4, 2021 10:51:29 GMT -8
dapellegrini - I don't suppose you could post a few pictures of those crystals and those rings could you? I'm very curious!
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Post by dapellegrini on Dec 4, 2021 10:59:23 GMT -8
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Post by inboost on Dec 4, 2021 14:37:58 GMT -8
dapellegrini - that has the look of a spring, is it evenly 'wavy'? For example has it six or eight undulations around it's circumference? Are these undulations the same across all of your samples such that you could stack them?
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Post by dapellegrini on Dec 4, 2021 15:25:44 GMT -8
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Post by inboost on Dec 4, 2021 17:40:53 GMT -8
So now the real question is where do they belong, above the city name bezel or below? Good photos though, thanks for taking and posting them!
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Post by dapellegrini on Dec 4, 2021 19:51:26 GMT -8
I think perhaps it is this margin piece between the bezel and the edge of the case, but I could be wrong....
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