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Post by Fergus on Oct 6, 2023 9:38:55 GMT -8
We are not permitted to put up live links so I'll say search...ebay UK
Seiko Pogue 6139-6002 chronograph. Runs 30/40 seconds then stops. SOLD AS SEEN
Seller tells me he's owned it 7 months and its been running fine. Today was first day he removed the caseback. How can it have been running for 7 months with the magic finger where shown. Also screw missing from the framework for auto.
BS abounds.
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Post by HiBeat on Oct 7, 2023 8:29:33 GMT -8
FWIW, live "Buy it Now" links are permitted.
Just not linking to auctions with a traditional auction bidding process.
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Post by kkramme on Feb 17, 2024 1:44:31 GMT -8
In an effort to preserve the vast sum of knowledge about Col. William Pogue's watch, I thought it prudent to start this thread so that future generations of Seiko enthusiasts can cut through the crap and get the real story here. Boy, I better get this right, huh?? To begin with, who is Col. William Pogue? Col. Pogue is an American born in Oklahoma, went to school in Oklahoma, and enlisted in the United States Air Force in 1951 (source: Wikipedia). He became a pilot in the Air Force and was a darn good one, eventually joining the Thunderbirds. In time, he ended up a Colonel at the Manned Spacecraft Center and he was selected as an astronaut in a support capacity for 3 of the Apollo missions. He was scheduled to be a command module pilot for Apollo 19 but the mission was canceled. In the coming years, the United States would create Skylab though, and Col. Pogue got to be the pilot on Skylab 4, the third and final manned trip to Skylab from the U.S. Col. Pogue was on Skylab from November 16, 1973 until February 8, 1974. Col. Pogue is now 83 years young and his autobiography is titled But for the Grace of God: An Autobiography of an Aviator and Astronaut released in 2011. Our next question about Col. Pogue must be "how did he decide on a Seiko as his watch of choice on Skylab"? Well, to be honest, he chose that watch when he realized his officially certified watch from the USAF was an Omega that would not be given to him during his training. So, knowing he had to have something to rely on during his training, he got good advice from someone and purchased a Seiko, even paying for it on layaway! So that, while in space on Skylab, Col. Pogue had 2 watches on his person, the Omega (set to GMT) and the Seiko. However, for the sake of this post, the Seiko is the only watch we are concerned about. Col. Pogue used the Seiko to time engine burns as a backup to the computers. Here, at long last, is a picture of the Seiko Col. William Pogue made famous on the Skylab 4 mission: View AttachmentThere are various opinions about what a "true Pogue" is and isn't, and while a very literal reading of the words certainly points one to the watch pictured above, a general understanding of the nickname will indicate a Seiko automatic chronograph watch with a gold dial powered by a 6139 movement in either a -6002 or -6005 designation. The Seiko 6139 Pogue watches that attract the most attention and highest prices are the -6005 designations. Col. Pogue's 6139 had the serial number of 190945, which indicates the watch was made in (9) September of (1) 1971. To find a watch with a sequentially similar serial number would indeed be a valuable find. Col. Pogue confirmed that the inner rotating bezel of his 6139 was originally yellow, but had faded to white. He also confirmed he wore the watch daily for a number of years, even building a house while constantly wearing the watch. The watch was auctioned in 2008 and sold for just shy of $6000.00 So there you have it: the nearly-perfect story of Col. William Pogue and his legendary Seiko 6139 chronograph. Please see following posts for pictures and additional information about this wonderful watch. Thanks for reading!
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Post by Fergus on Feb 18, 2024 7:09:36 GMT -8
Fully serviced
Take a look at the movement pic Only the dial and bracelet aftermarket
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Post by lordflagpoledaughter on Mar 7, 2024 11:49:54 GMT -8
Great post ! Mine is a hopefully all original except for a replacement crystal 6002 with pale yellow inner bezel. The guy that sold it to me also sold me the Brooklyn Bridge, and that's going to be worth a lot of money one day, I can tell you. laugh1.gif It also came with this chunky leather strap. I prefer it to the bracelet as I'm more of a strap man. From one Pogue to 3! Learnt from leffemonster that these beauties are called Pogues, so was great to see this thread and read about them. Weirdly wishing for bigger wrists so I can wear them without them weighing me down
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Post by Fergus on Mar 31, 2024 2:20:46 GMT -8
ebay's latest software is making it almost impossible to review the completed auction...26047163956 It was good see this untouched 6000 proof/proof sell for £550. Before any bids I enquired about a BIN and the seller suggested an offer of £950...
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Post by pip on Mar 31, 2024 12:26:56 GMT -8
Wow, £550 is a low price for that one by todays standards. Well done the buyer, hope they are one of the good people!
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Post by kkramme on Apr 2, 2024 3:59:37 GMT -8
Can’t find any Pogues in Osaka, Japan. Will try Tokyo in a few days. 🥹
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Post by Fergus on Apr 2, 2024 5:22:38 GMT -8
Did anyone here get it yesterday…for £85
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Post by TinkeringFR on Apr 2, 2024 23:07:47 GMT -8
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Post by saldog on Apr 3, 2024 7:02:14 GMT -8
@tinkeringfr, I'm not good with 'R' dials, but it looks authentic to me. Patina has been faked before. The insert is authentic and I believe the hands are as well. Not sure about the dial ring. It could be an aftermarket white one because it is "oh so white". As you may know, there never was a white dial ring, but they faded to white, so the aftermarket folks saw fit to put out a white one so someone could give their watch something of a faux-tina. If it were to be disassembled, an authentic one would be yellow on the underside. The back side of the dial would confirm its authenticity as well.
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Post by TinkeringFR on Apr 3, 2024 8:15:51 GMT -8
Thanks saldog. Yes, this dial ring looks really white on the seller's pictures, but more yellowish on my friend's pictures. It's sometimes hard to identify parts on pictures. I'll know when I'll have it in my hands. The seller is a watch seller and a collector, and this item is from his personal collection. As the 6139-6010 I bought him today.
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Post by Fergus on Apr 3, 2024 9:31:15 GMT -8
If the rotating bezel has been changed it can be excused because once the teeth go there's nothing one can do but fit OEM or AM.
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Post by kkramme on Apr 18, 2024 2:14:23 GMT -8
An obvious question, but any downside in purchasing an obviously overhauled Pogue? I have low expectations, but like the concept!
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Post by kkramme on Apr 18, 2024 2:57:14 GMT -8
An obvious question, but any downside in purchasing an obviously overhauled Pogue? I have low expectations, but like the concept! Are there bots working on eBay to drive up bids? 🤔
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Post by scubarob99 on Apr 18, 2024 5:18:38 GMT -8
An obvious question, but any downside in purchasing an obviously overhauled Pogue? I have low expectations, but like the concept! By overhauled you mean chuck full of new, shiny, fake parts? I see overhauled as serviced and sympathetically cleaned- and that greatly depends on by whom Service claims on ebay are worthless. Rob
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Post by Fergus on Apr 18, 2024 8:20:41 GMT -8
Ahhh, the black gloved tinker.
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Post by saldog on Apr 18, 2024 9:22:28 GMT -8
My feeling is that watches like this with aftermarket everything look nice. I can understand the allure because these yellow dialed 6139s are eye catching. But I consider myself a serious collector of vintage watches. I am after watches that still look good and have all genuine parts. Sometimes, I find a watch without its original bracelet and I'll get an aftermarket one like those from Uncle Straps so I can enjoy wearing the watch while I'm awaiting an original bracelet, which could take years to find. But I don't think I'll ever be interested in a watch that has an aftermarket dial, hands, and bezel insert. I'd rather have scratched up original pieces than new-looking aftermarket. That just crosses the line for me. But that is not the case for everyone. So long as you know what you're buying, if it makes you happy, get it and wear the hell out of it!
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Post by kkramme on Apr 18, 2024 12:38:41 GMT -8
An obvious question, but any downside in purchasing an obviously overhauled Pogue? I have low expectations, but like the concept! By overhauled you mean chuck full of new, shiny, fake parts? I see overhauled as serviced and sympathetically cleaned- and that greatly depends on by whom Service claims on ebay are worthless. Rob Thanks. Very helpful. What would be your criteria for purchasing on line a Pogue, eg “proof” of genuine parts, history of servicing and what was involved, nothing from India (or Phillipines ??!). FYI I could find any recently in Tokyo or Osaka, Japan 🇯🇵!!
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Post by scubarob99 on Apr 18, 2024 14:23:55 GMT -8
By overhauled you mean chuck full of new, shiny, fake parts? I see overhauled as serviced and sympathetically cleaned- and that greatly depends on by whom Service claims on ebay are worthless. Rob Thanks. Very helpful. What would be your criteria for purchasing on line a Pogue, eg “proof” of genuine parts, history of servicing and what was involved, nothing from India (or Phillipines ??!). FYI I could find any recently in Tokyo or Osaka, Japan 🇯🇵!! I view ebay right now as a minefield as far as the pogues as concerned. Too many faked pieces, some even with faked patina to throw you off. It really is all about research and educating yourself, looking at a 100 dials, handsets, minute details, till you are positive you can spot a fake. Every now and then you get lucky and find a gem that has a perfect dial under a scratched up crystal, then it's off to our resident gurus to make it last another few decades. Or buy from members here, where a fake wouldn't squeak by. Even Yahoo Japan (which used to be safe) is slowly being overwhelmed by 'augmented' 6139's It's all in the thrill of the hunt, really Rob
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