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Post by timewatcher on Nov 12, 2014 19:30:19 GMT -8
While cruising the Forums as I do often I happened across this 6105-8110 for sale. Would you even ever for the slightest moment consider having a 6105-8110 Bead Blasted? To me JMHO it would totally make the watch worthless (not actually worthless but devalued a LOT) Selling/asking price (not that he would get it) is WAY out of line? What do you think?  |
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Post by saul on Nov 12, 2014 20:24:07 GMT -8
While cruising the Forums as I do often I happened across this 6105-8110 for sale. Would you even ever for the slightest moment consider having a 6105-8110 Bead Blasted? To me JMHO it would totally make the watch worthless (not actually worthless but devalued a LOT) Selling/asking price (not that he would get it) is WAY out of line? What do you think? I would consider it. Purely an aesthetic choice. |
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Post by cd_god on Nov 12, 2014 20:32:03 GMT -8
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Post by russtmurray on Nov 12, 2014 21:18:03 GMT -8
That's your humble opinion Rene. I don't consider mine anywhere near worthless...and yes it was bead-blasted when I bought it. IMHO, I think it's great and should I ever consider selling it, I will get more than I paid for it.  ...wait a minute, I almost forgot. I also bought another already bead-blasted 6105. What a loser eh?  |
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Post by philsinclair on Nov 12, 2014 22:58:33 GMT -8
Hi. To me it's not about the money, if it was, I would have about 2000 less watches. In any case, a watch bead blasted and then repolished looks absolutely unreal - to everyone except the purists. Cheers Phil
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Post by ninja01 on Nov 13, 2014 1:40:23 GMT -8
As I've said in a number of venues before: our hobby (watch collecting) is - at this stage anyway - a blend of things like coin & stamp collecting AND car collecting. There are purists as typical in coin & stamp collecting who want ORIGINAL everything. Then there are the "tinkerers" like in car collecting where "modding" or "souping up" as it was called is a legitimate activity which can add both interest and value to the car (watch,...) being collected AND USED. Unlike coin collecting where you do NOT ever want to use the items you collect, watch collecting is like car collecting with respect to usage. Cars and watches are moving, mechanical & electrical devices. They are meant to be used and re-used without necessarily destroying any appreciable value in the process. Use a PR-65 or MS-65 collectible coin just once, and watch the value plummet!!  So with respect to altering the surface, as in bead blasting. Unlike with a coin where ANY surface alteration destroys the value automatically, with watches, the "tinkerer" community may likely applaud the "improvement" to the original... while at the same time, the purists will bemoan the destruction of "original surface treatment. Its still a rather schizophrenic hobby. Wow, no complaints from spell check on that, amazing!! |
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Post by cobrajet25 on Nov 13, 2014 1:41:00 GMT -8
Modded watches are like hot rods...beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But when you go to sell them, sometimes the market doesn't realize the 'greatness' of your vision.
That is why I keep my watches just like Seiko made them. I know there is a market for them, and the prices we have seen on 'top shelf' 6105s/6138s/6139s bear this out.
"It's only original once."
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Post by feca67 on Nov 13, 2014 4:28:23 GMT -8
At any classic car show there's a concours section, but it's a minority specialisation. Restoring watches back to exactly the way they were when brand new is the same, a minority specialisation. Most people will accept some level of alteration, improvement, use of repro-parts etc I think. The more outlandish the mods, the more divided the opinion, especially if a rare and valuable watch / car has been irrevocably changed. Personally I'm all for the creative process just as long as there's an appreciable level of skill involved.
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Post by baylenkm on Nov 13, 2014 5:36:42 GMT -8
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Post by feca67 on Nov 13, 2014 7:50:42 GMT -8
Looks legit. Seiko only supply bezels with inserts already fitted. I can't remember the last time I saw a NOS 6105-8110 bezel. Good used ones do turn up very occasionally. |
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Post by sdoocms on Nov 13, 2014 7:56:59 GMT -8
Nice looking watch. Generally speaking I don't care for watches or bracelets that have been blasted.
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Post by Myles on Nov 13, 2014 8:23:22 GMT -8
Fixed that for you. |
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Post by estrickland on Nov 13, 2014 10:11:06 GMT -8
It would be a travesty to bead blast a minty 6105-8xxx, but I can totally understand finding a salvage job
and getting creative with it: relume, redial, PVD, bead blast, milspec sword hands, whatever...
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Post by timewatcher on Nov 13, 2014 10:11:12 GMT -8
Some interesting points/observations were made.
I look at it this way ..
I happen to like on certain watches the BB look but obviously not everyone else does which is fine as we dont all have the same tastes but remember this....... if you BB a watch it is no longer considered as Original and IMO would not bring the same amount of money as the same watch would bring if it were Original.
The more iconic watches such as your 6105-8110s and your 6309-7040s are highly sought after and in todays market should be kept as Original as can be if you expect to ever want to sell it.
If you had the same watch as I pictured that has been BB and another the same w/o the BB and both were asking $1000.00 I would definitely buy the one w/o the blasting.
To my way of thinking which is only my opinion you have automatically de-valued the watch by making it no longer an Original!
My 6105-8110 for example is Original, is in terrific condition and has a great History to it considering who owned it and where it has been but it has a Bubble Boy crystal on it which would automatically lower the price should I ever decide to part with it!
I'm rambling on and probably dont make any sense so forgive me as I am only trying to relay how I feel.
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Post by Groundhog66 on Nov 13, 2014 11:55:14 GMT -8
It's not all about the money for some folks, they just like to modify watches. Do I agree with doing it, not in most cases. But hey, to each their own.
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Post by timewatcher on Nov 13, 2014 11:58:28 GMT -8
If I knew it wasnt going to ruin the value of mine I would BB it! Trouble is I would have to BB the bracelet too and I hate the look of a BB bracelet!
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Post by mar52 on Nov 13, 2014 12:45:57 GMT -8
Why does the value matter? I buy watches for the look. If I like it then I buy it... if I want it.
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Post by Groundhog66 on Nov 13, 2014 12:46:06 GMT -8
If I knew it wasnt going to ruin the value of mine I would BB it! Trouble is I would have to BB the bracelet too and I hate the look of a BB bracelet! Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't make it wrong. I'm a purist, I don't like BB, PVD, relumes or AM parts. Many folks don't mind, and that's okay. Instead of buying a watch that would require a relume, I'd just keep searching for a better example...but that's just me. Look at your 6105...it's been relumed (not exceptionally well), and you put a BB on it. I have a feeling, it's not worth anywhere near what you think it is. I'd love to get Shawn's opinion, as to how easy it would be, to get a BB case close to OEM again. |
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Post by longbike on Nov 13, 2014 12:51:06 GMT -8
A lot of people like the 6105 and its a great watch also. One has to look at the overall purpose to have one. Many get it because it is know as the ...... " Apocalypse Now Watch ", that Captain Willard wore. I personally don't have one, might later on but that's how it is for now. If I could piece one together a little at a time, then I would probably would make one. If I got the case , then I most likely would do one. 
The watch was used in the movie, and I agree with that also. It takes one that wants to have a .... "6105 Diver ", and it looks good too. As far as being the watch that made history in Vietnam, this is not the one. The watch that made Vietnam History was the .... " Seiko 6127 Diver ". It became a watch almost everyone wanted or had, and if they did not have it they would get it too. But I saw it most used by .... " Navy Personnel and Marines ". I also found out many did not care about just what time it was and be concern about what kind of watch they had too., all they wanted to do was ...... " Get the heck out of that War and go back home ". Aloha This very watch was the history maker for Seiko Watchs in that era of time.
If one has the likings for the 6105, it is just that persons wanting of it, others can like it to but with a different look on it. But it always will be a " 6105 Seiko Diver " watch no matter how one looks at it. It is about who has or wants one I would say. But to the collector it is about the ... " Value of it ,exact looks, Model, Made by, Is working. I have found collecting different watchs has a wide spread effect to them that when looked at it can go to places beyond a lot. The problem is the collector gets a ...... " Massive Hunger and Taste " for collecting them, which ever one it might be. But to positively pin point this one watch to the..... " Military and Time Era " , that is not the case. Myself when in the Military I saw the .... 6127, as a most probable one owned by many and they were popular too. Problem I always heard was .... " Great watch, but to small ". Then when the 6309's came around, .... " Now things changed a lot ". Many just could not get enough of them. Its probably about who wants and who does not want them. 
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Post by timewatcher on Nov 13, 2014 12:56:18 GMT -8
If I knew it wasnt going to ruin the value of mine I would BB it! Trouble is I would have to BB the bracelet too and I hate the look of a BB bracelet! Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't make it wrong. I'm a purist, I don't like BB, PVD, relumes or AM parts. Many folks don't mind, and that's okay. Instead of buying a watch that would require a relume, I'd just keep searching for a better example...but that's just me. Look at your 6105...it's been relumed (not exceptionally well), and you put a BB on it. I have a feeling, it's not worth anywhere near what you think it is. I'd love to get Shawn's opinion, as to how easy it would be, to get a BB case close to OEM again. I would be extremely interested in what you think its worth! I have an idea what I think it would sell for.......lets see how close you think? |
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