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Post by SeikoPsycho on Jul 24, 2017 8:39:07 GMT -8
Looks like everyone's all Wound Up over this topic............
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 8:48:04 GMT -8
Looks like everyone's all Wound Up over this topic............ So long as nobody gets overwound, all will be good
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Post by besurfer on Jul 24, 2017 9:19:57 GMT -8
I created this post to get information not to create animated debates. Certainly, as someone rightly said, Seiko's answer can not be trusted ... it's true ... but I did not really see any other answers that could be more trustworthy. Dialogue is used to know and understand, position statements without valid arguments do not serve.
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Post by Groundhog66 on Jul 24, 2017 9:28:26 GMT -8
I created this post to get information not to create animated debates. Certainly, as someone rightly said, Seiko's answer can not be trusted ... it's true ... but I did not really see any other answers that could be more trustworthy. Dialogue is used to know and understand, position statements without valid arguments do not serve. And as long as it's done respectfully, there will never be a problem. Problems arise when folks start getting shitty, and we don't need that kind of dialogue.
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Post by sampdoria1946 on Jul 24, 2017 14:01:44 GMT -8
Hey guys, it's time to say: "Hey! We were wrong!". We all know it's a hoax... You don't even have a official proof. Stories from friends of friends' of friends' of friends'. Hey, where is the French?! s11.postimg.org/c1l525avn/pogueaussie.gif
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Post by peenemunde on Jul 24, 2017 14:07:09 GMT -8
Very nice.... Interesting proof.
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Post by Groundhog66 on Jul 24, 2017 14:11:55 GMT -8
Hey guys, it's time to say: "Hey! We were wrong!". We all know it's a hoax... You don't even have a official proof. Stories from friends of friends' of friends' of friends'. Hey, where is the French?! s11.postimg.org/c1l525avn/pogueaussie.gifMy question would be this.....If there is a "shadow" that looks like a black inner ring, why is that "shadow" not present in your gif?
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Post by scubarob99 on Jul 24, 2017 14:18:17 GMT -8
Hey guys, it's time to say: "Hey! We were wrong!". We all know it's a hoax... You don't even have a official proof. Stories from friends of friends' of friends' of friends'. Hey, where is the French?! s11.postimg.org/c1l525avn/pogueaussie.gifMy question would be this.....If there is a "shadow" that looks like a black inner ring, why is that "shadow" not present in your gif? Because everyone used to set their watches to 10:10 and zeroed the chronograph for every photo opportunity. 😉
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Post by sampdoria1946 on Jul 24, 2017 14:22:19 GMT -8
Hey guys, it's time to say: "Hey! We were wrong!". We all know it's a hoax... You don't even have a official proof. Stories from friends of friends' of friends' of friends'. Hey, where is the French?! s11.postimg.org/c1l525avn/pogueaussie.gifMy question would be this.....If there is a "shadow" that looks like a black inner ring, why is that "shadow" not present in your gif? Fantastic! It is not a Pogue Aussie, but it is a Seiko Pogue Zebra for Tanzania Market!!!
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Post by small on Jul 24, 2017 14:24:24 GMT -8
Really never seen a locked thread on a watch forum??? I got one locked debated the amount of adjustments...I said Heat and Cold are temperature not two separate adjustments...of course out comes the photo gallery showing a few that are marked Heat and Cold...There is always that one guy...
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Post by tritto on Jul 24, 2017 14:36:39 GMT -8
CSI - Wrist Sushi.
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Post by nike90 on Jul 24, 2017 14:39:04 GMT -8
In my opinion,there are too much reasoned doubts and no evidence in support of existance.
Let me clarify.
Seiko is strange,it's true.
Sometimes some models aren't on catalogue.It's true. But there is a methodical behaviour behind the choices of Seiko.
Every model has a serial,reference that identify a model from another. In the same model with the same reference,dial codes are different according to year of production.
Here we have a model with gold dial/black inner perfectly identical compared to normal model(printed on catalogue),but different for inner ring. There isn't an exlusive reference.There isnt' dedicated codes. The inner ring is a part common,not distinctive. I not remember another example in which Seiko dedicated a watch for a market with the same reference(all the same) of other market .
If i have a normal "pogue"(It's correct speak of 6139-6002) and i m replacing the inner ring, have i an "aussie pogue" ?
(of course, i avoid to insist remembering that in Asia/australia there was milion of milion ...of people ant it is impossible that there aren't documents/ nos models and other able to demonstrate)
The codes are very importante to collect Seiko,imho.
last comment: Saying that a person bought a model in a specific configuration,is not the same as saying that Seiko produced this model in this configuration.
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Post by Groundhog66 on Jul 24, 2017 14:42:39 GMT -8
Really never seen a locked thread on a watch forum??? I got one locked debated the amount of adjustments...I said Heat and Cold are temperature not two separate adjustments...of course out comes the photo gallery showing a few that are marked Heat and Cold...There is always that one guy... Oh, I've seen MANY locked threads, just not here. I like to think we are more civilized.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 14:48:14 GMT -8
Really never seen a locked thread on a watch forum??? I got one locked debated the amount of adjustments...I said Heat and Cold are temperature not two separate adjustments...of course out comes the photo gallery showing a few that are marked Heat and Cold...There is always that one guy... Oh, I've seen MANY locked threads, just not here. I like to think we are more civilized. We really are fortunate that WS has not had any of the nasty nonsense that occasionally rears it's ugly head on other forums. We have been particularly luck in being spared the presence of trouble making trolls. This says a lot about the quality of people who call WS home
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Post by besurfer on Jul 24, 2017 15:02:27 GMT -8
I thank the forum for giving me the chance to understand and I would like to point out that perhaps this thread has a lot more attention than someone believed. It was also written by someone who had never seen a thread so useless .... well, it was very useful to me to understand many things .... really many!
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Jul 24, 2017 16:43:54 GMT -8
It's not a shadow. It is the black ring. My dad bought it with the black ring because he likes black/yellow colour combinations. He told me he purchased it for that reason. I'll see if I can find another image. Hey guys, it's time to say: "Hey! We were wrong!". We all know it's a hoax... You don't even have a official proof. Stories from friends of friends' of friends' of friends'. Hey, where is the French?! s11.postimg.org/c1l525avn/pogueaussie.gif
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Jul 24, 2017 16:49:07 GMT -8
There are several part codes for the indicator ring. There's an early yellow/blue ring which has serrations around the edge, which is meant for the very early -6000 references which does not have a tension ring. There's a mid-late yellow and blue ring with no serrations meant for the -6002/5/9 with tension ring. Then there's a black ring which was both a replacement part and ended up on the very late -6002's (maybe other sub variations). My suspicion was SEIKO introduced the black part to deal with ring fading and to make 1 replacement part for all models as they were winding down the 6139 production run. It's conceivable they had loads of yellow/blue dials left and no yellow/blue rings, so they made the very late models as "parts bin specials". If that makes sense. In my opinion,there are too much reasoned doubts and no evidence in support of existance. Let me clarify. Seiko is strange,it's true. Sometimes some models aren't on catalogue.It's true. But there is a methodical behaviour behind the choices of Seiko. Every model has a serial,reference that identify a model from another. In the same model with the same reference,dial codes are different according to year of production. Here we have a model with gold dial/black inner perfectly identical compared to normal model(printed on catalogue),but different for inner ring. There isn't an exlusive reference.There isnt' dedicated codes. The inner ring is a part common,not distinctive. I not remember another example in which Seiko dedicated a watch for a market with the same reference(all the same) of other market . If i have a normal "pogue"(It's correct speak of 6139-6002) and i m replacing the inner ring, have i an "aussie pogue" ? (of course, i avoid to insist remembering that in Asia/australia there was milion of milion ...of people ant it is impossible that there aren't documents/ nos models and other able to demonstrate) The codes are very importante to collect Seiko,imho. last comment: Saying that a person bought a model in a specific configuration,is not the same as saying that Seiko produced this model in this configuration.
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Post by SeikoPsycho on Jul 24, 2017 17:05:46 GMT -8
I say show me a color photo in a Seiko catalog showing a Silver dial 6139-600X. To my knowledge a catalog photo doesn't exist. I could be mistaken but I've never seen one. If it does, show me...........
Does this mean that there were never any Silver dial 6139-600X's?
Well, if you're going to follow the line of thinking that if it isn't shown in a catalog it doesn't exist, then I guess the Silver dial 6139-600X's don't exist either...............
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 17:57:16 GMT -8
I say show me a color photo in a Seiko catalog showing a Silver dial 6139-600X. To my knowledge a catalog photo doesn't exist. I could be mistaken but I've never seen one. If it does, show me........... Does this mean that there were never any Silver dial 6139-600X's? Well, if you're going to follow the line of thinking that if it isn't shown in a catalog it doesn't exist, then I guess the Silver dial 6139-600X's don't exist either............... I suspect that the silver dial version was destined to a different line/market compared to yellow and blue dial. I may be wrong but, while I've seen blue and yellow dial 6139s marked with both "6139-6000/6002/6005/6009" and "6139-6030" as well, instead I've only seen silver dial 6139s marked "6139-6030". This said, I suspect that the silver dial was probably reserved to certain territories, maybe? But again, I don't have enough proofs to say where the silver dial came from, but the dial looks perfectly legit, and that is what differentiate it from the watch we are talking about here, one thing is a dial, another thing is the inner plastic ring. As far as we know the silver dial is legit, on the other side, the black inner ring was not factory mounted on the yellow dial.
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Jul 24, 2017 18:03:14 GMT -8
We established maybe over 10 years ago, there is no real methodical approach from SEIKO. Hand colours and styles could vary from year to year even, especially with the 6139 series. Maybe they only bought orange paint that year? All models come with an orange sweep hand. Only modern SEIKO's have an exclusive reference, being the SNZFxxx or whatever code. e.g. the SKX series all use the same case code. SEIKO didn't really do this in any coherent way in the past, which we know from baffling product codes across marketing material. The marketing codes for the most part are nonsense. I keep telling people this and nobody believes me. It comes down to the case code. The marketing codes here for the 6139-600x was something like AHP031 or something. Means nothing. The statement that you could change the ring and now have an "Aussi Pogue" is not really relevant as it in no way addresses the question of this thread. The "Pogue" name itself is total nonsense and is applied incorrectly all the time. the "True Pogue" is a -6005 with resist dial made in around 1974 from memory (I honestly don't really remember or care). In my opinion,there are too much reasoned doubts and no evidence in support of existance. Let me clarify. Seiko is strange,it's true. Sometimes some models aren't on catalogue.It's true. But there is a methodical behaviour behind the choices of Seiko. Every model has a serial,reference that identify a model from another. In the same model with the same reference,dial codes are different according to year of production. Here we have a model with gold dial/black inner perfectly identical compared to normal model(printed on catalogue),but different for inner ring. There isn't an exlusive reference.There isnt' dedicated codes. The inner ring is a part common,not distinctive. I not remember another example in which Seiko dedicated a watch for a market with the same reference(all the same) of other market . If i have a normal "pogue"(It's correct speak of 6139-6002) and i m replacing the inner ring, have i an "aussie pogue" ? (of course, i avoid to insist remembering that in Asia/australia there was milion of milion ...of people ant it is impossible that there aren't documents/ nos models and other able to demonstrate) The codes are very importante to collect Seiko,imho. last comment: Saying that a person bought a model in a specific configuration,is not the same as saying that Seiko produced this model in this configuration.
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