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Post by besurfer on Jul 20, 2017 10:03:59 GMT -8
I have this watch and I fell in love, but I want to deepen .... I know that this topic has been dealt with many times, but I'm new, so forgive me. I just want to make a trivial consideration: if this type of watch was seized on the Australian market, we are not talking about a small town, we are talking about a continent. Why does not there be a certain test of this? An unsuccessful catalog where a seiko 6105 8000 is referred to as a seiko 6105 8110, can it be trusted? A black and white catalog where a dial is supposed to be gold while it might be pretty gray is a reliable source for a theory?
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Post by peenemunde on Jul 20, 2017 10:36:23 GMT -8
Aussie?
The Pogue is only 6139 6005, in my opinion.
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Post by rob3rto on Jul 20, 2017 11:17:12 GMT -8
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Post by besurfer on Jul 20, 2017 11:54:56 GMT -8
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Post by bbilford83 on Jul 20, 2017 15:12:28 GMT -8
I'm not totally sure I understand your question, but I'll jump in to say that the consensus is the only markets where the gold-dial 6139-600X models came with a black indicator ring are Australia, New Zealand, and Hong Kong. My guess is that when Spencer referred to this as an "Aussie Pogue" that is why. There's no authoritative source/catalog to support that conclusion, but if you look through threads on here you'll see a lot of examples of this color combo with certain provenance from this part of the world. Attached is my July '69 gold dial Pogue purchased in Hong Kong - I have the sales paperwork not for this watch, but for a silver dial example the original owner bought along with it.  |
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Post by peenemunde on Jul 21, 2017 0:07:45 GMT -8
incorrect inner bezel, in my opinion. |
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Post by Mr.Jones on Jul 21, 2017 0:48:33 GMT -8
If you want to call only the 6139-6005 with the correct lettering on the dial a "Pogue", do so.
There is proof that the golden 6139-6002 was sold with a black chapter ring in the Oceania market. I have seen pictures from the 70s where a dad of a member had this model on his wrist and he stated it had not been serviced at that time. I believe this is a "correct" model.
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Post by Rod on Jul 21, 2017 0:49:27 GMT -8
incorrect inner bezel, in my opinion. Totally correct and this has been discussed many times over and over,  Bert even has one that was bought new and still has all the original paperwork with it. |
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Post by peenemunde on Jul 21, 2017 0:51:23 GMT -8
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Post by Mr.Jones on Jul 21, 2017 1:25:54 GMT -8
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Post by peenemunde on Jul 21, 2017 1:44:09 GMT -8
Are there any color photos from the Seiko vintage catalog?
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Post by Mr.Jones on Jul 21, 2017 1:50:19 GMT -8
Are you arguing just for arguments' sake?
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Post by peenemunde on Jul 21, 2017 2:38:10 GMT -8
I'm not arguing. I'm sorry you think this.
I just want to see if there is a catalog photo of this Aussie specimen.
What interest?
Just know.
Concrete evidence is valid for me.
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Post by SeikoPsycho on Jul 21, 2017 2:46:47 GMT -8
I'm not arguing. I'm sorry you think this. I just want to see if there is a catalog photo of this Aussie specimen. What interest? Just know. Concrete evidence is valid for me. There is a catalog photo that was discussed many years ago. Can I find it? That's a good question. 3 computers later and many many posts on the forum "crashed" by PhotoScumBucket it might not be so easy to find........lol I'll have a look as time allows to see if I can locate it. |
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Post by besurfer on Jul 21, 2017 3:44:54 GMT -8
I'm not arguing. I'm sorry you think this. I just want to see if there is a catalog photo of this Aussie specimen. What interest? Just know. Concrete evidence is valid for me. There is a catalog photo that was discussed many years ago. Can I find it? That's a good question. 3 computers later and many many posts on the forum "crashed" by PhotoScumBucket it might not be so easy to find........lol I'll have a look as time allows to see if I can locate it. 
You can not make a guess based on an unofficial black and white catologist.
In the catalog a 6105/8110 is named while it is actually an 8000.
The dial of the photo could be gray and not the gold of the pogue.
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Post by peenemunde on Jul 21, 2017 4:04:19 GMT -8
For me is 6139 "Silver Dial", no yellow.
Color photo.
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Post by Rod on Jul 21, 2017 4:14:28 GMT -8
There is a catalog photo that was discussed many years ago. Can I find it? That's a good question. 3 computers later and many many posts on the forum "crashed" by PhotoScumBucket it might not be so easy to find........lol I'll have a look as time allows to see if I can locate it.
You can not make a guess based on an unofficial black and white catologist.
In the catalog a 6105/8110 is named while it is actually an 8000.
The dial of the photo could be gray and not the gold of the pogue.
Really? If that's what you want to believe then that's your prerogative. The rest of us are happy knowing that they were produced and sold in the Oceania region. |
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Post by leffemonster on Jul 21, 2017 4:21:05 GMT -8
For me is 6139 "Silver Dial", no yellow. Color photo. Do you really think that there is a colour catalogue picture of every single variant of every watch that Seiko ever produced, and that without such catalogued evidence all other variants are 'doubtful' in their authenticity? I could well be wrong but I doubt that such 'proof' as you call it exists. Now I'm no Pogue fan (Fairytale of New York aside  ) but if I were I'd be happy to take the word of the numerous experts on here. |
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Post by peenemunde on Jul 21, 2017 4:22:45 GMT -8
 Silver/grey dial (on the right)... Now, we have to determine whether the model 6139 6000 also exists in silver / gray dial, notch case. |
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Post by jeffrey69 on Jul 21, 2017 4:25:30 GMT -8
Well done Manuel...  |
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) but if I were I'd be happy to take the word of the numerous experts on here.
